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The problem is you never know if it is going to be better or worse. My experience is that it is mostly the same everywhere. What changes is the paycheck, compan

The problem is you never know if it is going to be better or worse. My experience is that it is mostly the same everywhere. What changes is the paycheck, company logo and the faces

draw_down 9y ago
That's my feeling as well. Sure you can move over to something else, but taking a pay cut is probably a mistake because the new place can be just as shitty (either right away or in the future), and now you're not even getting paid for it. I don't really know what to do except save my money and move to the forest one day. Only half joking.
frandroid 9y ago
Maybe the problem is with the constant between all these situations then...
- holydude 9y ago
  Maybe or maybe not :)
frandroid 9y ago
More seriously though, you should ask around people you know and trust about which workplaces they like. Not all workplaces are alike. Look at switching industries. Look at non-profits. Look at things you care about outside of tech, and go do tech in that industry.
- holydude 9y ago
  Yup i have tried that but it backfired terribly as i have been moved later on to a different team and management structure.
dacracot 9y ago
The grass is always greener syndrome is very real. The reverse interview process is very hard to parse. It usually takes several months to know where you will be in the bell curve of work environment between "living hell" and "wow, I enjoy my work".
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
As opposed to staying where you are, where you do know it's going to be bad? I may have gotten lucky at avoiding jobs that turn out to be stinkers. Hasn't happened to me in the last three job switches. (One turned into a stinker after I'd been there a few years, due to management changes. I left.) But I don't think that the odds are as bad as you seem to think they are. But really, you have only three options. You can put up with it, you can fix it, or you can leave. You don't want to put up with it. You sound like you're asking for how to fix it, but I'm not sure that you realistically can. (Certainly I've never been able to.) That leaves only one option.

The problem is you never know if it is going to be better or worse. My experience is that it is mostly the same everywhere. What changes is the paycheck, company logo and the faces

draw_down 9y ago

That's my feeling as well. Sure you can move over to something else, but taking a pay cut is probably a mistake because the new place can be just as shitty (either right away or in the future), and now you're not even getting paid for it. I don't really know what to do except save my money and move to the forest one day. Only half joking.

frandroid 9y ago

Maybe the problem is with the constant between all these situations then...

holydude 9y ago
Maybe or maybe not :)

frandroid 9y ago

More seriously though, you should ask around people you know and trust about which workplaces they like. Not all workplaces are alike. Look at switching industries. Look at non-profits. Look at things you care about outside of tech, and go do tech in that industry.

holydude 9y ago
Yup i have tried that but it backfired terribly as i have been moved later on to a different team and management structure.

dacracot 9y ago

The grass is always greener syndrome is very real. The reverse interview process is very hard to parse. It usually takes several months to know where you will be in the bell curve of work environment between "living hell" and "wow, I enjoy my work".

AnimalMuppet 9y ago

As opposed to staying where you are, where you do know it's going to be bad? I may have gotten lucky at avoiding jobs that turn out to be stinkers. Hasn't happened to me in the last three job switches. (One turned into a stinker after I'd been there a few years, due to management changes. I left.) But I don't think that the odds are as bad as you seem to think they are. But really, you have only three options. You can put up with it, you can fix it, or you can leave. You don't want to put up with it. You sound like you're asking for how to fix it, but I'm not sure that you realistically can. (Certainly I've never been able to.) That leaves only one option.