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Since when is working two jobs a bad thing? Plenty of people work two or three jobs to make ends meet. If you can make both work, and you aren't violating any c

Since when is working two jobs a bad thing? Plenty of people work two or three jobs to make ends meet. If you can make both work, and you aren't violating any contracts or NDAs, I don't see why you should feel bad about that.

watwut 9y ago
It is ok when you don't lie in the process. It is not ok when you pretend to work full time while actually working only equivalent of part time in each workplace (does not matter all that much whether drop in productivity is due to burnout or cheating on time spent by working). The productivity of programmers is often hard to measure, if you don't take advantage of it then it is fine. There are jobs that dont require full time, it is cool to combine them. Workaday without overtime (and working that much is too little I was told by people here) is 8 hours. Assuming you work it twice plus take 2 hours a day for shopping, food and shower, you have only 6 hours sleep remaining. With such persistent sleep deprivation, you wont be able to produce all that much for each employer - your productivity will go down. Then it is just a question of whether either management finds out.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Isn't it wrong for a company to lie about things like remuneration and money too ? Is it okay for companies to pay people they claim internally have the same pay (for the same work), but pay them differently based on things like location ?
  - alexandercrohde 9y ago
    That's actually a really interesting parallel to draw. I have certainly seen a non-negligible amount of dishonest management ("Sure we'll promote you, we just need a few more cycles" to a friend who was about to be fired). From a legal perspective I'm sure what's signed in writing makes the difference. But we're not really talking legal here, we're talking ethical. And ethically, I'm not sure why dishonesty on paper is worse than dishonesty in a 1-on-1. You'll find all kinds of notions/norms in our culture that are inconsistent with each other. Usually it takes a standup comedian to point out our own hypocrisy.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      Given that I keep reading things like that some 90%+ of employees across a wide range of companies would deny their employer a $1 million contract if it got them, personally, $500 ... Given those I think the norms in our society are very much consistent. It's just that we assume we're all employees here, and therefore there is no need to lie to each other. But we'll lie to our employer, or at least leave stuff out. And our employer will lie to us, and leave boatloads of stuff out. This is the norm. It is also the norm to lie about it.
  - watwut 9y ago
    "Isn't it wrong for a company to lie about things like remuneration and money too ?" Yes it is wrong. "Is it okay for companies to pay people they claim internally have the same pay (for the same work), but pay them differently based on things like location ?" It is ok to pay different amount of money to workers living in different states (if that is what you mean). Assuming the company did not mislead the worker before accepting the job at lower paid location.
- tzs 9y ago
  > Workaday without overtime (and working that much is too little I was told by people here) is 8 hours. Assuming you work it twice plus take 2 hours a day for shopping, food and shower, you have only 6 hours sleep remaining. With such persistent sleep deprivation, you wont be able to produce all that much for each employer - your productivity will go down. If you can only work 5 days a week, and need to put in 40 hours per week per job, then yeah, sleep is going to be a problem. If one or both of the jobs are such that you can do less than 8 hours some weekdays and make it up with some weekend work then two full time jobs should be possible without sleep problems. 168 hours per week - 40 hours per job x 2 jobs - 8 hours sleep per day x 7 days - 2 hours for shopping/food/shower per day x 7 days = 18 hours. You could almost take on a third half time job!
kazinator 9y ago
Sure, working two part-time jobs whose shifts don't overlap.

watwut 9y ago

It is ok when you don't lie in the process. It is not ok when you pretend to work full time while actually working only equivalent of part time in each workplace (does not matter all that much whether drop in productivity is due to burnout or cheating on time spent by working). The productivity of programmers is often hard to measure, if you don't take advantage of it then it is fine. There are jobs that dont require full time, it is cool to combine them. Workaday without overtime (and working that much is too little I was told by people here) is 8 hours. Assuming you work it twice plus take 2 hours a day for shopping, food and shower, you have only 6 hours sleep remaining. With such persistent sleep deprivation, you wont be able to produce all that much for each employer - your productivity will go down. Then it is just a question of whether either management finds out.

candiodari 9y ago
Isn't it wrong for a company to lie about things like remuneration and money too ? Is it okay for companies to pay people they claim internally have the same pay (for the same work), but pay them differently based on things like location ?
- alexandercrohde 9y ago
  That's actually a really interesting parallel to draw. I have certainly seen a non-negligible amount of dishonest management ("Sure we'll promote you, we just need a few more cycles" to a friend who was about to be fired). From a legal perspective I'm sure what's signed in writing makes the difference. But we're not really talking legal here, we're talking ethical. And ethically, I'm not sure why dishonesty on paper is worse than dishonesty in a 1-on-1. You'll find all kinds of notions/norms in our culture that are inconsistent with each other. Usually it takes a standup comedian to point out our own hypocrisy.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Given that I keep reading things like that some 90%+ of employees across a wide range of companies would deny their employer a $1 million contract if it got them, personally, $500 ... Given those I think the norms in our society are very much consistent. It's just that we assume we're all employees here, and therefore there is no need to lie to each other. But we'll lie to our employer, or at least leave stuff out. And our employer will lie to us, and leave boatloads of stuff out. This is the norm. It is also the norm to lie about it.
- watwut 9y ago
  "Isn't it wrong for a company to lie about things like remuneration and money too ?" Yes it is wrong. "Is it okay for companies to pay people they claim internally have the same pay (for the same work), but pay them differently based on things like location ?" It is ok to pay different amount of money to workers living in different states (if that is what you mean). Assuming the company did not mislead the worker before accepting the job at lower paid location.
tzs 9y ago
> Workaday without overtime (and working that much is too little I was told by people here) is 8 hours. Assuming you work it twice plus take 2 hours a day for shopping, food and shower, you have only 6 hours sleep remaining. With such persistent sleep deprivation, you wont be able to produce all that much for each employer - your productivity will go down. If you can only work 5 days a week, and need to put in 40 hours per week per job, then yeah, sleep is going to be a problem. If one or both of the jobs are such that you can do less than 8 hours some weekdays and make it up with some weekend work then two full time jobs should be possible without sleep problems. 168 hours per week - 40 hours per job x 2 jobs - 8 hours sleep per day x 7 days - 2 hours for shopping/food/shower per day x 7 days = 18 hours. You could almost take on a third half time job!

kazinator 9y ago

Sure, working two part-time jobs whose shifts don't overlap.