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HDMI-CEC allows similar on most modern TVs. As for not being tied to where you have a TV, for $200 you can buy a 40"+ 1080p TV, for $100 you can have a really

HDMI-CEC allows similar on most modern TVs. As for not being tied to where you have a TV, for $200 you can buy a 40"+ 1080p TV, for $100 you can have a really nice IPS 22" 1080p monitor. Probably better than this tiny thing.

alphakappa 9y ago
Would you put that TV on your kitchen counter? Sometimes you don't need a 22” screen.
- ghaff 9y ago
  Yeah. I have no place in my kitchen to reasonably put a large monitor. That said, I wouldnt be at surprised to see a future version of this as a box or a fire stick like thing to plug into an existing tv.
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smacktoward 9y ago
The moment you tell people "for this to work you have to go buy something else separately," you lose a huge chunk of potential sales. People don't want to do the work of figuring out what specific model of something else they need, where they have to go to get it, etc. Even if you put the something else on the shelf right next to your thing, the added cognitive load will turn lots of people off. Build the other thing in to your thing, and all those problems go away.
- NegativeLatency 9y ago
  Did you click through and see the offers to bundle security cameras and other IOT products?
  - rtkwe 9y ago
    That's different. Those are additional functionality not a requirement to use the core functionality of the device.
- problems 9y ago
  Yeah, I have no problem with that in theory, just don't make a crappy overpriced version of the other thing...
rkangel 9y ago
Leaving aside interoperability fun and the user experience that /u/smacktoward refers to, TVs don't always switch on very quickly. My TV takes a good 10 seconds to start producing audio after the google chromecast 'on' command. Putting the screen in themselves gives them control of that experience.
- cptskippy 9y ago
  Netflix is taking care of that for you. > When you see the Netflix Recommended TV logo, you’ll know the TV has passed a rigorous evaluation process. > TV Instant On > Your TV starts up instantly and apps are ready to use right away, just like your smartphone. https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/ https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/
  - Declanomous 9y ago
    The instant on feature is generally just a standby mode, which can consume a fairly substantial amount of power. I've also found that disabling the 'instant on' feature of my TV makes it perform much better. When I used the standby mode, apps would occasionally crash or stop responding after a few hours. The only way to get them to work again was to unplug the TV. I never have to unplug the TV now that I've disabled instant on. That being said, I own a Samsung TV, which has the worst software of any TV I've used, except for Philips, which was worse only because the TV I owned didn't support SSH keys longer than 48-bits or something really stupid like that. Ideally I'd be able to purchase a non-smart TV that turned on instantly, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
    - cptskippy 9y ago
      TV manufacturers seem to be really averse to just making an awesome display. They have to value add features that open security holes and are so poorly maintained that in a couple years you'll need to buy a new TV.
      - Declanomous 9y ago
netsharc 9y ago
"Let me just put this 40 inch TV on my kitchen counter...".
hrktb 9y ago
HDMI-CEC is nice on paper, but seems to be a mess in most cases. My TV supports it and fails randomly to wake up, googling it at the time, a flurry of other TVs models were mentionned as not working properly. I think there was a ATP episode on the topic, with the same conclusion: it works sometimes, if you're lucky.

alphakappa 9y ago

Would you put that TV on your kitchen counter? Sometimes you don't need a 22” screen.

ghaff 9y ago
Yeah. I have no place in my kitchen to reasonably put a large monitor. That said, I wouldnt be at surprised to see a future version of this as a box or a fire stick like thing to plug into an existing tv.

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smacktoward 9y ago

The moment you tell people "for this to work you have to go buy something else separately," you lose a huge chunk of potential sales. People don't want to do the work of figuring out what specific model of something else they need, where they have to go to get it, etc. Even if you put the something else on the shelf right next to your thing, the added cognitive load will turn lots of people off. Build the other thing in to your thing, and all those problems go away.

NegativeLatency 9y ago
Did you click through and see the offers to bundle security cameras and other IOT products?
- rtkwe 9y ago
  That's different. Those are additional functionality not a requirement to use the core functionality of the device.
problems 9y ago
Yeah, I have no problem with that in theory, just don't make a crappy overpriced version of the other thing...

rkangel 9y ago

Leaving aside interoperability fun and the user experience that /u/smacktoward refers to, TVs don't always switch on very quickly. My TV takes a good 10 seconds to start producing audio after the google chromecast 'on' command. Putting the screen in themselves gives them control of that experience.

cptskippy 9y ago
Netflix is taking care of that for you. > When you see the Netflix Recommended TV logo, you’ll know the TV has passed a rigorous evaluation process. > TV Instant On > Your TV starts up instantly and apps are ready to use right away, just like your smartphone. https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/ https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/
- Declanomous 9y ago
  The instant on feature is generally just a standby mode, which can consume a fairly substantial amount of power. I've also found that disabling the 'instant on' feature of my TV makes it perform much better. When I used the standby mode, apps would occasionally crash or stop responding after a few hours. The only way to get them to work again was to unplug the TV. I never have to unplug the TV now that I've disabled instant on. That being said, I own a Samsung TV, which has the worst software of any TV I've used, except for Philips, which was worse only because the TV I owned didn't support SSH keys longer than 48-bits or something really stupid like that. Ideally I'd be able to purchase a non-smart TV that turned on instantly, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
  - cptskippy 9y ago
    TV manufacturers seem to be really averse to just making an awesome display. They have to value add features that open security holes and are so poorly maintained that in a couple years you'll need to buy a new TV.
    - Declanomous 9y ago

netsharc 9y ago

"Let me just put this 40 inch TV on my kitchen counter...".

hrktb 9y ago

HDMI-CEC is nice on paper, but seems to be a mess in most cases. My TV supports it and fails randomly to wake up, googling it at the time, a flurry of other TVs models were mentionned as not working properly. I think there was a ATP episode on the topic, with the same conclusion: it works sometimes, if you're lucky.