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Because this way the screen can turn on and off dynamically. Also, it doesn't tie you to having to have a TV in a location you want one.

by rkangel 10y ago

problems 10y ago
HDMI-CEC allows similar on most modern TVs. As for not being tied to where you have a TV, for $200 you can buy a 40"+ 1080p TV, for $100 you can have a really nice IPS 22" 1080p monitor. Probably better than this tiny thing.
- alphakappa 10y ago
  Would you put that TV on your kitchen counter? Sometimes you don't need a 22” screen.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    Yeah. I have no place in my kitchen to reasonably put a large monitor. That said, I wouldnt be at surprised to see a future version of this as a box or a fire stick like thing to plug into an existing tv.
- deleted 10y ago
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- smacktoward 10y ago
  The moment you tell people "for this to work you have to go buy something else separately," you lose a huge chunk of potential sales. People don't want to do the work of figuring out what specific model of something else they need, where they have to go to get it, etc. Even if you put the something else on the shelf right next to your thing, the added cognitive load will turn lots of people off. Build the other thing in to your thing, and all those problems go away.
  - NegativeLatency 10y ago
    Did you click through and see the offers to bundle security cameras and other IOT products?
    - rtkwe 10y ago
      That's different. Those are additional functionality not a requirement to use the core functionality of the device.
  - problems 10y ago
    Yeah, I have no problem with that in theory, just don't make a crappy overpriced version of the other thing...
- rkangel 10y ago
  Leaving aside interoperability fun and the user experience that /u/smacktoward refers to, TVs don't always switch on very quickly. My TV takes a good 10 seconds to start producing audio after the google chromecast 'on' command. Putting the screen in themselves gives them control of that experience.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    Netflix is taking care of that for you. > When you see the Netflix Recommended TV logo, you’ll know the TV has passed a rigorous evaluation process. > TV Instant On > Your TV starts up instantly and apps are ready to use right away, just like your smartphone. https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/ https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/
    - Declanomous 10y ago
      The instant on feature is generally just a standby mode, which can consume a fairly substantial amount of power. I've also found that disabling the 'instant on' feature of my TV makes it perform much better. When I used the standby mode, apps would occasionally crash or stop responding after a few hours. The only way to get them to work again was to unplug the TV. I never have to unplug the TV now that I've disabled instant on. That being said, I own a Samsung TV, which has the worst software of any TV I've used, except for Philips, which was worse only because the TV I owned didn't support SSH keys longer than 48-bits or something really stupid like that. Ideally I'd be able to purchase a non-smart TV that turned on instantly, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
      - cptskippy 10y ago
        TV manufacturers seem to be really averse to just making an awesome display. They have to value add features that open security holes and are so poorly maintained that in a couple years you'll need to buy a new TV.
        Declanomous 10y ago
- netsharc 10y ago
  "Let me just put this 40 inch TV on my kitchen counter...".
- hrktb 10y ago
  HDMI-CEC is nice on paper, but seems to be a mess in most cases. My TV supports it and fails randomly to wake up, googling it at the time, a flurry of other TVs models were mentionned as not working properly. I think there was a ATP episode on the topic, with the same conclusion: it works sometimes, if you're lucky.
msabalau 10y ago
Hmmm, Google Home already turns Android TVs on and off on the fly. (or TVs with Chromecasts plugged into a modern HDMI-CEC slot). Or push info to the discovery tab of the Home app. I suppose there is some value in putting an ugly (IMO) 7" screen in specific locations where you don't have or want a TV, like a kitchen, but it seems rather niche.
- deleted 10y ago
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Because this way the screen can turn on and off dynamically. Also, it doesn't tie you to having to have a TV in a location you want one.

by rkangel 10y ago

Because this way the screen can turn on and off dynamically. Also, it doesn't tie you to having to have a TV in a location you want one.

problems 10y ago

HDMI-CEC allows similar on most modern TVs. As for not being tied to where you have a TV, for $200 you can buy a 40"+ 1080p TV, for $100 you can have a really nice IPS 22" 1080p monitor. Probably better than this tiny thing.

alphakappa 10y ago
Would you put that TV on your kitchen counter? Sometimes you don't need a 22” screen.
- ghaff 10y ago
  Yeah. I have no place in my kitchen to reasonably put a large monitor. That said, I wouldnt be at surprised to see a future version of this as a box or a fire stick like thing to plug into an existing tv.
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smacktoward 10y ago
The moment you tell people "for this to work you have to go buy something else separately," you lose a huge chunk of potential sales. People don't want to do the work of figuring out what specific model of something else they need, where they have to go to get it, etc. Even if you put the something else on the shelf right next to your thing, the added cognitive load will turn lots of people off. Build the other thing in to your thing, and all those problems go away.
- NegativeLatency 10y ago
  Did you click through and see the offers to bundle security cameras and other IOT products?
  - rtkwe 10y ago
    That's different. Those are additional functionality not a requirement to use the core functionality of the device.
- problems 10y ago
  Yeah, I have no problem with that in theory, just don't make a crappy overpriced version of the other thing...
rkangel 10y ago
Leaving aside interoperability fun and the user experience that /u/smacktoward refers to, TVs don't always switch on very quickly. My TV takes a good 10 seconds to start producing audio after the google chromecast 'on' command. Putting the screen in themselves gives them control of that experience.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  Netflix is taking care of that for you. > When you see the Netflix Recommended TV logo, you’ll know the TV has passed a rigorous evaluation process. > TV Instant On > Your TV starts up instantly and apps are ready to use right away, just like your smartphone. https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/ https://devices.netflix.com/en/recommendedtv/2017/
  - Declanomous 10y ago
    The instant on feature is generally just a standby mode, which can consume a fairly substantial amount of power. I've also found that disabling the 'instant on' feature of my TV makes it perform much better. When I used the standby mode, apps would occasionally crash or stop responding after a few hours. The only way to get them to work again was to unplug the TV. I never have to unplug the TV now that I've disabled instant on. That being said, I own a Samsung TV, which has the worst software of any TV I've used, except for Philips, which was worse only because the TV I owned didn't support SSH keys longer than 48-bits or something really stupid like that. Ideally I'd be able to purchase a non-smart TV that turned on instantly, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      TV manufacturers seem to be really averse to just making an awesome display. They have to value add features that open security holes and are so poorly maintained that in a couple years you'll need to buy a new TV.
      - Declanomous 10y ago
netsharc 10y ago
"Let me just put this 40 inch TV on my kitchen counter...".
hrktb 10y ago
HDMI-CEC is nice on paper, but seems to be a mess in most cases. My TV supports it and fails randomly to wake up, googling it at the time, a flurry of other TVs models were mentionned as not working properly. I think there was a ATP episode on the topic, with the same conclusion: it works sometimes, if you're lucky.

msabalau 10y ago

Hmmm, Google Home already turns Android TVs on and off on the fly. (or TVs with Chromecasts plugged into a modern HDMI-CEC slot). Or push info to the discovery tab of the Home app. I suppose there is some value in putting an ugly (IMO) 7" screen in specific locations where you don't have or want a TV, like a kitchen, but it seems rather niche.

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