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Are you conflating the economy in general with healthcare simply because you have no argument? Le Pen voters are angry for some part, yes. They're the ones wit
by pikzen 9y ago
Are you conflating the economy in general with healthcare simply because you have no argument?
Le Pen voters are angry for some part, yes. They're the ones with the fewest resources, yes. And you know what? They still get the same health care as anyone else.
- humanrebar 9y agoI'm saying the French people undermine your testimonial better than I can. The typical argument (all over this discussion) for bureaucratic medicine is "it's all over Europe and it's awesome!" But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. One of the consequences of government-provided services, for example, is that it pits native citizens against 'new' and aspiring citizens on the years that everyone decides life is a zero sum game.
- pikzen 9y agoBeing French myself, go ahead, show me how it undermines my testimonial, I'll be waiting :^) It pits nobody against nobody. It's (almost) universal healthcare, including for non citizens.
- mpweiher 9y ago> But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. Nobody has "everything" figured out, and health care (and paying for it) is a problem everywhere. It's just that comparatively...well, there really is no comparison. In comparison, it is awesome. And I've lived both in the US and in different parts of Europe. The French voted a 2/3 against Le Pen. The US voted 48:46 against Trump (and got him anyway).
- humanrebar 9y agoBut both countries have discouraging trend lines. Trump and Le Pen would have been novelty candidates a decade ago.