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I'm french. This morning my girlfriend was sick. She called her doc, got an appointment for the very afternoon. The visit, buying the med and getting a certif

I'm french. This morning my girlfriend was sick. She called her doc, got an appointment for the very afternoon. The visit, buying the med and getting a certificate for 3 days off work took us all in all 2 hours. She paid most of the bills using her health care card, so in total it was less than 50 euros from her pocket. The day off will be paid in full. Tell me again how we suffered from "waiting lists, supply shortages and all the kinds of things you don't want when dealing with people's lives". Cause right now my life is god damn awesome. It has been for the last 3 decades, including when I got malaria in Africa and the french system refunded me, or when I break my arms multiple times, or got my appendice removed. I always though that the US system was that bad compared to ours from the people POV because french companies paid a lot more. Now I see it's not even the case.

humanrebar 10y ago
> Cause right now my life if god damn awesome. Maybe, but Le Pen got a lot more interest than she should have. If the economy was roaring and France was "awesome" would that happen?
- pikzen 10y ago
  Are you conflating the economy in general with healthcare simply because you have no argument? Le Pen voters are angry for some part, yes. They're the ones with the fewest resources, yes. And you know what? They still get the same health care as anyone else.
  - humanrebar 10y ago
    I'm saying the French people undermine your testimonial better than I can. The typical argument (all over this discussion) for bureaucratic medicine is "it's all over Europe and it's awesome!" But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. One of the consequences of government-provided services, for example, is that it pits native citizens against 'new' and aspiring citizens on the years that everyone decides life is a zero sum game.
    - pikzen 10y ago
      Being French myself, go ahead, show me how it undermines my testimonial, I'll be waiting :^) It pits nobody against nobody. It's (almost) universal healthcare, including for non citizens.
    - mpweiher 10y ago
      > But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. Nobody has "everything" figured out, and health care (and paying for it) is a problem everywhere. It's just that comparatively...well, there really is no comparison. In comparison, it is awesome. And I've lived both in the US and in different parts of Europe. The French voted a 2/3 against Le Pen. The US voted 48:46 against Trump (and got him anyway).
      - humanrebar 10y ago
        But both countries have discouraging trend lines. Trump and Le Pen would have been novelty candidates a decade ago.
- sametmax 10y ago
  This is terrible fact, but has no link at all with you previous comment and my answer.

humanrebar 10y ago

> Cause right now my life if god damn awesome. Maybe, but Le Pen got a lot more interest than she should have. If the economy was roaring and France was "awesome" would that happen?

pikzen 10y ago
Are you conflating the economy in general with healthcare simply because you have no argument? Le Pen voters are angry for some part, yes. They're the ones with the fewest resources, yes. And you know what? They still get the same health care as anyone else.
- humanrebar 10y ago
  I'm saying the French people undermine your testimonial better than I can. The typical argument (all over this discussion) for bureaucratic medicine is "it's all over Europe and it's awesome!" But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. One of the consequences of government-provided services, for example, is that it pits native citizens against 'new' and aspiring citizens on the years that everyone decides life is a zero sum game.
  - pikzen 10y ago
    Being French myself, go ahead, show me how it undermines my testimonial, I'll be waiting :^) It pits nobody against nobody. It's (almost) universal healthcare, including for non citizens.
  - mpweiher 10y ago
    > But I don't think Europe thinks it has everything figured out. Nobody has "everything" figured out, and health care (and paying for it) is a problem everywhere. It's just that comparatively...well, there really is no comparison. In comparison, it is awesome. And I've lived both in the US and in different parts of Europe. The French voted a 2/3 against Le Pen. The US voted 48:46 against Trump (and got him anyway).
    - humanrebar 10y ago
      But both countries have discouraging trend lines. Trump and Le Pen would have been novelty candidates a decade ago.
sametmax 10y ago
This is terrible fact, but has no link at all with you previous comment and my answer.