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Rape victims are punished in Saudi Arabia: https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/11/15/saudi-arabia-rape-victim-punished-speaking-out https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/11/1

by Iv 9y ago

Rape victims are punished in Saudi Arabia: https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/11/15/saudi-arabia-rape-victim-punished-speaking-out https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/11/15/saudi-arabia-rape-victim... Unilateral and immediate divorce by males for no reason is legal in Saudi Arabia (talaq) and just forces the husband to provide support for 4 months: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia#Family_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia#F... Being in violation of gender segregation is a punishable offense more harshly punished than rape: http://www.webcitation.org/6JdMstMvl http://www.webcitation.org/6JdMstMvl Until 2015, divorced women had no legal status: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/saudi-arabian-divorced-women-and-widows-to-get-greater-legal-powers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/saudi-arabian-... You know, I will fight unjustified islamophobic caricature anytime, amywhere, but Saudi Arabia is the epitome of why theocracies suck and is at the root of many things that gives Islam a bad name. Bin Laden, ISIS, salafist imams in Europe, etc... We overthrew the Talebans (partly) for moral reasons. If we had been serious and honest about these reasons, Saudi Arabia should have been on the "axis of evil" too.

cup 9y ago
Rape victims arn't punished in Saudi Arabia. Theres no crime of being raped. The woman in your one anecdotal point was charged with a seperate case of adultery during a rape trial that wasn't in conjunction with the rape. Furthermore the rapists were charged and punished for rape, an act that is illegal. If you want to argue about adultery being a crime then go for it but don't conflate to topics to spread something factually incorrect. Theres plenty of things to criticise Saudi for. Just like theres plenty of things to criticise America for (institutional racism, foreign policy, drug laws etc) and every other country. "I will fight unjustified islamophobic caricature anytime". Evidently you won't because here you are spreading caricatures of islam targeting rape victims. "We overthrew the Talebans (partly) for moral reasons. If we had been serious and honest about these reasons, Saudi Arabia should have been on the "axis of evil" too." If you were serious about "these reasons" then America would probably be higher on the list than 3rd world Afghanistan. Come on now.
- mveety 9y ago
  > Rape victims arn't punished in Saudi Arabia. Theres no crime of being raped. True, but they did commit adultery when they were raped. Technically, they aren't punished for being raped, but in reality, they are punished for being raped.
  - cup 9y ago
    No that's factually wrong. If you read about the case you would know the adultery issue was separate, was consensual and had nothing to do with the rape except for the fact that the judges responded to both separate cases during the same trial.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      Where did you read there was a second "offence" by the victim ?
      - cup 9y ago
        In the actual report regarding the trial and retrial.
        candiodari 9y ago
        Can you provide a link ?
        cup 9y ago
        The wiki case is in English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case
        candiodari 9y ago
        Ah yes, so your case is that women are equal in islam because, she was not convicted JUST for being raped. She was being convicted for talking to someone initially, because it "led to rape" (from the article linked on wikipedia). Then, based on an unwritten confession, without so much as mentioning what the victim "confessed", the sentence was increased. In defense of this, famously, on live TV, a former Saudi judge and current consultant to the justice ministry called the rape victim a "cheating spouse" to her husband (for being raped ...). Furthermore it is apparently customary for rape cases to prosecute both the criminal and the victim [1], and the justification for this, as stated by the government is that islam demands it. Is this supposed to be a defense ? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia

by Iv 9y ago

cup 9y ago

Rape victims arn't punished in Saudi Arabia. Theres no crime of being raped. The woman in your one anecdotal point was charged with a seperate case of adultery during a rape trial that wasn't in conjunction with the rape. Furthermore the rapists were charged and punished for rape, an act that is illegal. If you want to argue about adultery being a crime then go for it but don't conflate to topics to spread something factually incorrect. Theres plenty of things to criticise Saudi for. Just like theres plenty of things to criticise America for (institutional racism, foreign policy, drug laws etc) and every other country. "I will fight unjustified islamophobic caricature anytime". Evidently you won't because here you are spreading caricatures of islam targeting rape victims. "We overthrew the Talebans (partly) for moral reasons. If we had been serious and honest about these reasons, Saudi Arabia should have been on the "axis of evil" too." If you were serious about "these reasons" then America would probably be higher on the list than 3rd world Afghanistan. Come on now.

mveety 9y ago
> Rape victims arn't punished in Saudi Arabia. Theres no crime of being raped. True, but they did commit adultery when they were raped. Technically, they aren't punished for being raped, but in reality, they are punished for being raped.
- cup 9y ago
  No that's factually wrong. If you read about the case you would know the adultery issue was separate, was consensual and had nothing to do with the rape except for the fact that the judges responded to both separate cases during the same trial.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Where did you read there was a second "offence" by the victim ?
    - cup 9y ago
      In the actual report regarding the trial and retrial.
      - candiodari 9y ago
        Can you provide a link ?
        cup 9y ago
        The wiki case is in English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case
        candiodari 9y ago
        Ah yes, so your case is that women are equal in islam because, she was not convicted JUST for being raped. She was being convicted for talking to someone initially, because it "led to rape" (from the article linked on wikipedia). Then, based on an unwritten confession, without so much as mentioning what the victim "confessed", the sentence was increased. In defense of this, famously, on live TV, a former Saudi judge and current consultant to the justice ministry called the rape victim a "cheating spouse" to her husband (for being raped ...). Furthermore it is apparently customary for rape cases to prosecute both the criminal and the victim [1], and the justification for this, as stated by the government is that islam demands it. Is this supposed to be a defense ? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia