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That's hunter-gatherers! That's more than 10,000 years ago before agriculture developed...
by theprop 9y ago
That's hunter-gatherers! That's more than 10,000 years ago before agriculture developed...
- maxerickson 9y agoSure. How do you get from there to a city without any innovation? How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation?
- theprop 9y agoGreat point!! Yes, exactly!!
- Trundle 9y agoSo you agree? Innovators are responsible for depleted resources and global warming.
- theprop 9y agoWell, perhaps it's the previous generation's innovators and the current generation's maintainers...if you want to trace out lines of responsibility but that's tricky...whoever discovered petroleum probably never wanted so much burned up to heat up the whole planet! The maintainers (energy companies) do...they're going to die (those firms) and they're ready to take the whole planet and all of us with 'em.
- flukus 9y ago> How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation? Evolution? That's how agriculture and many of our earliest tools were created. I don't think there were many/any single steps that we would consider innovative.
- maxerickson 9y agoI don't see how something like intentionally sharpening a stick would not be an innovation over occasionally finding one.
- flukus 9y agoIt may not have been intentional, it could have been someone rubbing it against a rock out of boardom or trying to start a fire with it then realising it was pointy. In that case it was a discovery, not an innovation. We may have had a very suboptimal way of doing it for centuries while the process evolved. I'm sure a lot of people here have stories of their pets confusing cause and effect.
- rusk 9y ago>How do you get from there to a city Enclosure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure Basically peasants, once kicked off the land end up herded into cities. Presumably the thinking at the time (beyond "lets make ourselves rich") was that agricultural production is more efficient when undertaken as a large-scale concern rather than by scattered small community holdings.
- maxerickson 9y agoSo how is the step of consolidating the land not an innovation then? Or the invention of the various tools to actually make the agriculture viable and progressively more efficient.
- rusk 9y agoIt is an innovation. I was presenting this as an alternative antecedent to the development of cities. Also provides an interesting corollary on the consequences of innovation.