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Start with an Apple-TV-like device that we can plug to our TVs and allow us to browse the web from our couches. Compete with Google and Apple in that arena and

Start with an Apple-TV-like device that we can plug to our TVs and allow us to browse the web from our couches. Compete with Google and Apple in that arena and let us developers build tools for the world to enjoy the computer ten feet away, any mobile phone can be used as remote and keyboard but you are welcome to build one for less than $50, it's just an IR remote with a keyboard, not a mobile phone. From mainframes, to desktops, to the web, to mobile. The next revolution will be televised. Be prepared.

findjashua 9y ago
Could you elaborate on a use case that you'd like to see. I mostly use my TV only to watch videos, which Chromecast handles pretty well. But I'm curious to see what use case I'm missing out on.
- Entangled 9y ago
  Sure, Youtube would be the first app no doubt about it, I'd like to see Casey Neistat on TV every night, but now imagine instagram, snapchat, twitter, facebook and all social apps on your TV. Phones will still be widely used on the go, but once people get home they get splatted on the couch and TV would become the main screen from where to enjoy all possible entertainment. I personally was thinking as a developer, I'd like to code on my TV, I'm sick of the desktop and the laptop, my eyes and back are suffering the most. I need a comfortable chair LazyBoy-style ten feet away from the screen with a wireless keyboard and trackpad which can be used as remote, that's it, nothing else. So for me it would be Xcode and Sublime on my TV, HN and Reddit, and the possibility to develop a million apps just like your iPhone/Android. One single box, the size of a soap bar, attached to your TV, and let developers make it the new platform. Desktops and laptops would be the first casualties (except for enterprises). That's my vision. Never underestimate the imagination of a million developers with new and shiny toys. TV is the next wave.
  - threeseed 9y ago
    YouTube: https://itunes.apple.com/bb/app/youtube-watch-upload-and-share-videos/id544007664 https://itunes.apple.com/bb/app/youtube-watch-upload-and-sha... Twitter: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twitter/id333903271 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twitter/id333903271 Facebook: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/facebook/id284882215 https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/facebook/id284882215 Email Instagram and Snapchat and if there is enough demand I am sure they will build an AppleTV app if they aren't already in the process. Now if you want to code on your TV then just buy an AppleTV and use AirPlay to project your Mac's screen to the TV. Your "vision" is literally just the AppleTV. Go build the future: https://www.apple.com/tv/ https://www.apple.com/tv/
    - Entangled 9y ago
      > Now if you want to code on your TV then just buy an AppleTV and use AirPlay to project your Mac's screen to the TV So I need a thousand dollar device relaying to my hundred dollar device? I see.
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    I'd be interested in coding on my TV only if it had the same resolution and visual acuity at a 10 foot viewing distance as my 5K retina iMac has at it's current 1.5 foot viewing distance. This would require about a 200 inch diagonal TV which is sadly a bit outside of my budget.
  - ryanx435 9y ago
    Why not just connect your TV to your computer as a second monitor using an HDMI cable? Everything you described is already possible. If you really want to go crazy get a graphics card that has 3 concurrent monitor support (they start at 30 bucks at microcenter) and hook up TWO tvs as extra monitors to your computer
rgbrenner 9y ago
So like webtv 2.0? I think that'll end the same as the first version
- gumby 9y ago
  Yeah, Microsoft's WebTV unit morphed into a conventional set top box business and was sold off to Ericsson.
  - rgbrenner 9y ago
    odd wikipedia doesnt mention any of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV
    - gumby 9y ago
      Feel free to update it :-). My GF worked for WebTV/MS and then Ericsson and traveled to various countries to do research on their STB usage so I observed this process directly. But if I wrote that it would be original research. Here's an article I just found about the acquisition: http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/video-software/ericsson-buys-microsofts-iptv-unit/d/d-id/702101 http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/video-software/erics...
- Entangled 9y ago
  Just like the Apple Newton the first time, the world wasn't prepared, now the content providers are a dime a dozen, just bring in the apps. I would be writing this from my TV instead of my laptop and finally Facetime would be like in the Jetsons.
  - rgbrenner 9y ago
    That makes me laugh.. As it so happens, I actually used a webtv when they were first announced. The problem wasnt a lack of apps. Around the same time I also connected a computer to a tv. It's difficult to understate just how terrible attempting to use a computer on a tv screen is.
shiftpgdn 9y ago
Ouya and Roku have both taken a shot at this with no and mild success, respectfully.
- threeseed 9y ago
  PS4 and Xbox One have this as well. No one really cares.
- Entangled 9y ago
  They lack the ecosystem and the army of developers to build it. Apple and Google are the best positioned at the moment with tvOS and Android but they're lacking vision. Samsung could enter the arena and then Huawei, LG, Sony, etc. I never thought about Dell, but since they rode the desktop/laptop wave they should invest in new technologies or undoubtedly face extinction. This is their last chance and stubbornness won't save them.
- saturdaysaint 9y ago
  Every Playstation 3 and PS4 has had a decent browser. Not a killer app. Everyone would rather do all of this stuff on their phones.
intrasight 9y ago
I think it's called a Raspberry Pi
panzer_wyrm 9y ago
Sooo... Intel nuc with hdmi?
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runholm 9y ago
You are just describing a well-designed media center computer.

findjashua 9y ago

Could you elaborate on a use case that you'd like to see. I mostly use my TV only to watch videos, which Chromecast handles pretty well. But I'm curious to see what use case I'm missing out on.

Entangled 9y ago
Sure, Youtube would be the first app no doubt about it, I'd like to see Casey Neistat on TV every night, but now imagine instagram, snapchat, twitter, facebook and all social apps on your TV. Phones will still be widely used on the go, but once people get home they get splatted on the couch and TV would become the main screen from where to enjoy all possible entertainment. I personally was thinking as a developer, I'd like to code on my TV, I'm sick of the desktop and the laptop, my eyes and back are suffering the most. I need a comfortable chair LazyBoy-style ten feet away from the screen with a wireless keyboard and trackpad which can be used as remote, that's it, nothing else. So for me it would be Xcode and Sublime on my TV, HN and Reddit, and the possibility to develop a million apps just like your iPhone/Android. One single box, the size of a soap bar, attached to your TV, and let developers make it the new platform. Desktops and laptops would be the first casualties (except for enterprises). That's my vision. Never underestimate the imagination of a million developers with new and shiny toys. TV is the next wave.
- threeseed 9y ago
  YouTube: https://itunes.apple.com/bb/app/youtube-watch-upload-and-share-videos/id544007664 https://itunes.apple.com/bb/app/youtube-watch-upload-and-sha... Twitter: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twitter/id333903271 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/twitter/id333903271 Facebook: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/facebook/id284882215 https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/facebook/id284882215 Email Instagram and Snapchat and if there is enough demand I am sure they will build an AppleTV app if they aren't already in the process. Now if you want to code on your TV then just buy an AppleTV and use AirPlay to project your Mac's screen to the TV. Your "vision" is literally just the AppleTV. Go build the future: https://www.apple.com/tv/ https://www.apple.com/tv/
  - Entangled 9y ago
    > Now if you want to code on your TV then just buy an AppleTV and use AirPlay to project your Mac's screen to the TV So I need a thousand dollar device relaying to my hundred dollar device? I see.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  I'd be interested in coding on my TV only if it had the same resolution and visual acuity at a 10 foot viewing distance as my 5K retina iMac has at it's current 1.5 foot viewing distance. This would require about a 200 inch diagonal TV which is sadly a bit outside of my budget.
- ryanx435 9y ago
  Why not just connect your TV to your computer as a second monitor using an HDMI cable? Everything you described is already possible. If you really want to go crazy get a graphics card that has 3 concurrent monitor support (they start at 30 bucks at microcenter) and hook up TWO tvs as extra monitors to your computer

rgbrenner 9y ago

So like webtv 2.0? I think that'll end the same as the first version

gumby 9y ago
Yeah, Microsoft's WebTV unit morphed into a conventional set top box business and was sold off to Ericsson.
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  odd wikipedia doesnt mention any of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV
  - gumby 9y ago
    Feel free to update it :-). My GF worked for WebTV/MS and then Ericsson and traveled to various countries to do research on their STB usage so I observed this process directly. But if I wrote that it would be original research. Here's an article I just found about the acquisition: http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/video-software/ericsson-buys-microsofts-iptv-unit/d/d-id/702101 http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/video-software/erics...
Entangled 9y ago
Just like the Apple Newton the first time, the world wasn't prepared, now the content providers are a dime a dozen, just bring in the apps. I would be writing this from my TV instead of my laptop and finally Facetime would be like in the Jetsons.
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  That makes me laugh.. As it so happens, I actually used a webtv when they were first announced. The problem wasnt a lack of apps. Around the same time I also connected a computer to a tv. It's difficult to understate just how terrible attempting to use a computer on a tv screen is.

shiftpgdn 9y ago

Ouya and Roku have both taken a shot at this with no and mild success, respectfully.

threeseed 9y ago
PS4 and Xbox One have this as well. No one really cares.
Entangled 9y ago
They lack the ecosystem and the army of developers to build it. Apple and Google are the best positioned at the moment with tvOS and Android but they're lacking vision. Samsung could enter the arena and then Huawei, LG, Sony, etc. I never thought about Dell, but since they rode the desktop/laptop wave they should invest in new technologies or undoubtedly face extinction. This is their last chance and stubbornness won't save them.
saturdaysaint 9y ago
Every Playstation 3 and PS4 has had a decent browser. Not a killer app. Everyone would rather do all of this stuff on their phones.

intrasight 9y ago

I think it's called a Raspberry Pi

panzer_wyrm 9y ago

Sooo... Intel nuc with hdmi?

deleted 9y ago

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runholm 9y ago

You are just describing a well-designed media center computer.