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> and having Google monitoring my like a little baby duck So instead, you prefer Apple monitoring you like a little baby duck?

dredmorbius 9y ago
I'm not particularly an Apple fan, but Apple isn't an advertising company fundamentally premised on profiling users. The business is far more aligned with user privacy than Google's, inherently. That said, Google seem to have some smarts about defending against high-level attacks, though also some very noteable failures. Remember, John Podesta's email phishing occurred on a Gmail account. And it's Gmail which secures the Traitor Puppet Fascist Donald John Trump's Twitter account password recovery.
ksk 9y ago
Purely subjective, but I'd say there is a difference in comfort levels when looking at companies where you paid cash in exchange for a product, and companies where they give you free stuff, and then eyeball you for the rest of your life, trying to find ways to extract money from you.
- Yetanfou 9y ago
  Yes, there difference being that in the former case you get to pay twice - once in cash, the second time in personal profiling. Also, it is possible - and not all that hard - to run Android without any proprietary (closed) Google software. The same can not be said about iOS.
  - ksk 9y ago
    That is not what Apple says though. https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ >We don’t build a profile based on your email content or web browsing habits to sell to advertisers. We don’t “monetize” the information you store on your iPhone or in iCloud. And we don’t read your email or your messages to get information to market to you. Our software and services are designed to make our devices better. Plain and simple.
    - Yetanfou 9y ago
      Thing is, I don't trust Apple, just as I don't trust other companies (Google included, which is why I don't have Google proprietary stuff on my Android devices). I trust them to the extent that their current business plan does not centre around 'monetising' profile data but that's about it. I fully expect they did in fact design their systems to make it possible to eventually 'monetise' such data. Do I have proof for this, other than the fact that they've shown to be less than fully truthful about their data retention policies? No, I do not, but I do know that it is more rule than exception for commercial entities to eventually renege on their promises of personal privacy, probably because that huge 'big data' carrot on that stick is just too juicy to be ignored. Given Apple's enormous cash reserve they pose the additional threat of being able to outright buy large industrial players in lucrative fields which would allow them to use the collected data to target their customers without needing to 'sell to advertisers'.

dredmorbius 9y ago

I'm not particularly an Apple fan, but Apple isn't an advertising company fundamentally premised on profiling users. The business is far more aligned with user privacy than Google's, inherently. That said, Google seem to have some smarts about defending against high-level attacks, though also some very noteable failures. Remember, John Podesta's email phishing occurred on a Gmail account. And it's Gmail which secures the Traitor Puppet Fascist Donald John Trump's Twitter account password recovery.

ksk 9y ago

Purely subjective, but I'd say there is a difference in comfort levels when looking at companies where you paid cash in exchange for a product, and companies where they give you free stuff, and then eyeball you for the rest of your life, trying to find ways to extract money from you.

Yetanfou 9y ago
Yes, there difference being that in the former case you get to pay twice - once in cash, the second time in personal profiling. Also, it is possible - and not all that hard - to run Android without any proprietary (closed) Google software. The same can not be said about iOS.
- ksk 9y ago
  That is not what Apple says though. https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ >We don’t build a profile based on your email content or web browsing habits to sell to advertisers. We don’t “monetize” the information you store on your iPhone or in iCloud. And we don’t read your email or your messages to get information to market to you. Our software and services are designed to make our devices better. Plain and simple.
  - Yetanfou 9y ago
    Thing is, I don't trust Apple, just as I don't trust other companies (Google included, which is why I don't have Google proprietary stuff on my Android devices). I trust them to the extent that their current business plan does not centre around 'monetising' profile data but that's about it. I fully expect they did in fact design their systems to make it possible to eventually 'monetise' such data. Do I have proof for this, other than the fact that they've shown to be less than fully truthful about their data retention policies? No, I do not, but I do know that it is more rule than exception for commercial entities to eventually renege on their promises of personal privacy, probably because that huge 'big data' carrot on that stick is just too juicy to be ignored. Given Apple's enormous cash reserve they pose the additional threat of being able to outright buy large industrial players in lucrative fields which would allow them to use the collected data to target their customers without needing to 'sell to advertisers'.