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Categorically false. I have a newborn boy and talked to a number of doctors about it - there is actually a slight benefit to the circumcised child [1], it just

by colbyh 9y ago

Categorically false. I have a newborn boy and talked to a number of doctors about it - there is actually a slight benefit to the circumcised child [1], it just isn't enough for the American Association of Pediatrics to recommend it outright. [1] https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/newborn-male-circumcision.aspx https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages...

LeeHwang 9y ago
Here is a link to the actual technical report, http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756 Which has all the hallmarks of misleading data. See the comments for more http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756.comments http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756.com...
- colbyh 9y ago
  Did you actually read the complaints? There are two that seem reasonable (copied data and number to treat) and one that goes off on a tangent citing supreme court cases on patient harm and sexual abuse. As far as harm let me be clear - the circumcision procedure causes less pain and consternation than my child's normal bowel movements. The former two seem like legit cases to look into, but doesn't necessarily mean the entire study needs to be thrown out. Until then I see no reason not to let parents decide.
IgorPartola 9y ago
Perhaps. But like with most medical procedures there is risk vs reward. In this case the risk is a 100% chance of altering how your child's sex organs look and function without their knowledge or consent vs a small and dubious reward. In other words don't fucking do it because it is barbaric and evil. If you think it's not, ask an uncircumcised adult to have the procedure done for all the benefits it provides and see how many agree.
- colbyh 9y ago
  You're not even making rational arguments, you're vilifying a procedure you happen to dislike. The fact is that the entire medical community agrees there are benefits to either approach, so letting parents decide is the more reasonable stance here.
  - IgorPartola 9y ago
    No. The entire medical community does not agree. The argument that risk vs reward should be considered and the reward does not actually outweigh the risk is, to me, a pretty reasonable argument. No I don't like the procedure, any more than I like female circumcision or any other form of genital mutilation. Especially in the US, circumcision is popular not because of any supposed health benefits, and not because of any religious reasons, but simply because it was initially popularized as a part of an anti-masturbation campaign hard fought by John Kellogg and his comrades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg). In the modern world it has nothing to do with cleanliness or health. It is a savage and barbaric tradition passed down from generation to generation. Thankfully, the numbers are now starting to come down as people realize that taking a knife to their newborn sons' genitals is probably not a nice thing to do.

by colbyh 9y ago

LeeHwang 9y ago

Here is a link to the actual technical report, http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756 Which has all the hallmarks of misleading data. See the comments for more http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756.comments http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756.com...

colbyh 9y ago
Did you actually read the complaints? There are two that seem reasonable (copied data and number to treat) and one that goes off on a tangent citing supreme court cases on patient harm and sexual abuse. As far as harm let me be clear - the circumcision procedure causes less pain and consternation than my child's normal bowel movements. The former two seem like legit cases to look into, but doesn't necessarily mean the entire study needs to be thrown out. Until then I see no reason not to let parents decide.

IgorPartola 9y ago

Perhaps. But like with most medical procedures there is risk vs reward. In this case the risk is a 100% chance of altering how your child's sex organs look and function without their knowledge or consent vs a small and dubious reward. In other words don't fucking do it because it is barbaric and evil. If you think it's not, ask an uncircumcised adult to have the procedure done for all the benefits it provides and see how many agree.

colbyh 9y ago
You're not even making rational arguments, you're vilifying a procedure you happen to dislike. The fact is that the entire medical community agrees there are benefits to either approach, so letting parents decide is the more reasonable stance here.
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  No. The entire medical community does not agree. The argument that risk vs reward should be considered and the reward does not actually outweigh the risk is, to me, a pretty reasonable argument. No I don't like the procedure, any more than I like female circumcision or any other form of genital mutilation. Especially in the US, circumcision is popular not because of any supposed health benefits, and not because of any religious reasons, but simply because it was initially popularized as a part of an anti-masturbation campaign hard fought by John Kellogg and his comrades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg). In the modern world it has nothing to do with cleanliness or health. It is a savage and barbaric tradition passed down from generation to generation. Thankfully, the numbers are now starting to come down as people realize that taking a knife to their newborn sons' genitals is probably not a nice thing to do.