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This is one of those topics where people have extremely strong opinions, yet the vast majority of people affected by this practice (circumcised males) have no o

by ythn 9y ago

This is one of those topics where people have extremely strong opinions, yet the vast majority of people affected by this practice (circumcised males) have no opinion or even a favorable opinion of their circumcision.

vincnetas 9y ago
I guess you have to just accept it if you have been circumcised, because you can't undo that. By you i mean anyone who has been circumcised. So this is like cognitive dissonance, you don't want to eat that cheese if you know that it can't be reached...
- jquery 9y ago
  Considering the studies show that the cheese they can't reach is either slightly worse, slightly better, or the same, it's pretty understandable they'd get offended when told their cheese is mutilated.
Declanomous 9y ago
Do you have any any evidence to back that claim up?
- RightMillennial 9y ago
  Here's one data point to back up ythn. I was circumcised as an infant. I'm glad my father chose to have the procedure done so that I didn't have to go through the uncomfortable recovery period as an adult. I would have done it regardless for religious reasons with the medical reason as a bonus. If I have any sons, they will be circumcised as infants. That being said, I don't care whether you are or if your sons are circumcised or not. However, I do care if you infringe on the rights of parents to do what they think is best for their children whether it's for medical, cultural, or religious reasons.
  - GordonS 9y ago
    > I do care if you infringe on the rights of parents to do what they think is best for their children whether it's for medical, cultural, or religious reasons Serious question: how far should that be allowed to go? What if someone believes cutting off their child's earlobe is best for their child (for the sake of an example)? As I see it, religious freedom does not mean you get to do whatever you want with no comeback.
    - Mithaldu 9y ago
      Look at his posting history for today. He's just trolling.
      - RightMillennial 9y ago
        No. I am not trolling. I am merely expressing my point of view which happens to run contrary to a majority of HN users. One could easily say you are trolling in this particular thread based upon your comments today. Your "Stockholm syndrome" comment is golden.
    - RightMillennial 9y ago
      I think the line should be drawn where a practice causes real harm to children. While I find the idea of cutting off the earlobe repulsive, I don't think it sufficiently crosses the line of harm. For all I know this could be a legitimate practice by some obscure tribe. Finally, no one says religious freedom means you can do whatever the hell you want without any repercussions. That's a gross mischaracterization of it.
feintruled 9y ago
And what are they comparing it to? They quite literally do not know what they are missing. It's not like they can have it replaced, so they have to make the best of it. Any non-circumcised male could choose to undergo the process as adults, I don't hear of many takers.
- dade_ 9y ago
  It's not unheard of, but unless there is a medical condition, circumcision should be considered cosmetic surgery and the decision made by the person being circumcised. Involuntary cosmetic surgery/ genital mutilation, whatever you want to call it, is a waste of taxpayer money in countries that have publicly funded healthcare.
logfromblammo 9y ago
The only people whose opinions would hold any weight in this matter would be males who were circumcised by medical necessity as adults. In other words, people who have actual memories with which to form a basis for comparison, without psychological pressure to form an irrationally favorable or unfavorable opinion.
- hamandcheese 9y ago
  No, not really, because they would have lived most of their lives with foreskin and may have formed an irrationally favorable opinion about it in the exact same way you presume circumcised men do about their situation.
wcummings 9y ago
Yup, all these sorts of threads get brigaded by MRA weirdos. It's such a weird hill to die on, none of the "victims" seem to care.
- jquery 9y ago
  It's dick measuring. Getting circumcision banned is a way for intact males to have the superiority of their penises enshrined into law. I'm a circ "victim" and the constant cries that I'm mutilated are barely veiled insults.
- Grue3 9y ago
  Yeah, cutting off bits of a child's penis is only something "MRA weirdos" could possibly object to. Come on.
- Balgair 9y ago
  Right? Like, I'll see these old boomer wackos with a stall at county fairs next to XYZ County Repubs/Dems or something, and they all just yell and scream like olde timey street preachers. Usually, the ones around here have some placards with badly doctored images of babies and a bunch of red on it, like the anti-abortion protestors outside of PP. Like old man, there are kids walking around, take a chill pill. You get to 'talking' to them and most are just anti-semites or really just looney-toons (at least in my neck of the woods, ymmv). I just can't understand what went wrong with them that they want to pay the fair org. to go out and scream all weekend in the sun about a little boy's junk. Dude, it's been going on for like 3k years or something without like any hiccups really, it's cool, no one even thinks about it, go get worked up about climate change, or the local PTA, or something that actually matters.
weeznerps 9y ago
south korea has high rates of circumcision in adulthood, so relevant data (people who would know the difference between how it feels to be circumcised vs uncircumcised) exists https://www.researchgate.net/profile/MG_Pang/publication/6643531_The_effect_of_male_circumcision_on_sexuality/links/0deec518aaafc91b8f000000.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/MG_Pang/publication/664...
Mithaldu 9y ago
> people affected ... have ... even a favorable opinion of their circumcision. Stockholm syndrome is very likely in those cases.

by ythn 9y ago

vincnetas 9y ago

I guess you have to just accept it if you have been circumcised, because you can't undo that. By you i mean anyone who has been circumcised. So this is like cognitive dissonance, you don't want to eat that cheese if you know that it can't be reached...

jquery 9y ago
Considering the studies show that the cheese they can't reach is either slightly worse, slightly better, or the same, it's pretty understandable they'd get offended when told their cheese is mutilated.

Declanomous 9y ago

Do you have any any evidence to back that claim up?

RightMillennial 9y ago
Here's one data point to back up ythn. I was circumcised as an infant. I'm glad my father chose to have the procedure done so that I didn't have to go through the uncomfortable recovery period as an adult. I would have done it regardless for religious reasons with the medical reason as a bonus. If I have any sons, they will be circumcised as infants. That being said, I don't care whether you are or if your sons are circumcised or not. However, I do care if you infringe on the rights of parents to do what they think is best for their children whether it's for medical, cultural, or religious reasons.
- GordonS 9y ago
  > I do care if you infringe on the rights of parents to do what they think is best for their children whether it's for medical, cultural, or religious reasons Serious question: how far should that be allowed to go? What if someone believes cutting off their child's earlobe is best for their child (for the sake of an example)? As I see it, religious freedom does not mean you get to do whatever you want with no comeback.
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    Look at his posting history for today. He's just trolling.
    - RightMillennial 9y ago
      No. I am not trolling. I am merely expressing my point of view which happens to run contrary to a majority of HN users. One could easily say you are trolling in this particular thread based upon your comments today. Your "Stockholm syndrome" comment is golden.
  - RightMillennial 9y ago
    I think the line should be drawn where a practice causes real harm to children. While I find the idea of cutting off the earlobe repulsive, I don't think it sufficiently crosses the line of harm. For all I know this could be a legitimate practice by some obscure tribe. Finally, no one says religious freedom means you can do whatever the hell you want without any repercussions. That's a gross mischaracterization of it.

feintruled 9y ago

And what are they comparing it to? They quite literally do not know what they are missing. It's not like they can have it replaced, so they have to make the best of it. Any non-circumcised male could choose to undergo the process as adults, I don't hear of many takers.

dade_ 9y ago
It's not unheard of, but unless there is a medical condition, circumcision should be considered cosmetic surgery and the decision made by the person being circumcised. Involuntary cosmetic surgery/ genital mutilation, whatever you want to call it, is a waste of taxpayer money in countries that have publicly funded healthcare.

logfromblammo 9y ago

The only people whose opinions would hold any weight in this matter would be males who were circumcised by medical necessity as adults. In other words, people who have actual memories with which to form a basis for comparison, without psychological pressure to form an irrationally favorable or unfavorable opinion.

hamandcheese 9y ago
No, not really, because they would have lived most of their lives with foreskin and may have formed an irrationally favorable opinion about it in the exact same way you presume circumcised men do about their situation.

wcummings 9y ago

Yup, all these sorts of threads get brigaded by MRA weirdos. It's such a weird hill to die on, none of the "victims" seem to care.

jquery 9y ago
It's dick measuring. Getting circumcision banned is a way for intact males to have the superiority of their penises enshrined into law. I'm a circ "victim" and the constant cries that I'm mutilated are barely veiled insults.
Grue3 9y ago
Yeah, cutting off bits of a child's penis is only something "MRA weirdos" could possibly object to. Come on.
Balgair 9y ago
Right? Like, I'll see these old boomer wackos with a stall at county fairs next to XYZ County Repubs/Dems or something, and they all just yell and scream like olde timey street preachers. Usually, the ones around here have some placards with badly doctored images of babies and a bunch of red on it, like the anti-abortion protestors outside of PP. Like old man, there are kids walking around, take a chill pill. You get to 'talking' to them and most are just anti-semites or really just looney-toons (at least in my neck of the woods, ymmv). I just can't understand what went wrong with them that they want to pay the fair org. to go out and scream all weekend in the sun about a little boy's junk. Dude, it's been going on for like 3k years or something without like any hiccups really, it's cool, no one even thinks about it, go get worked up about climate change, or the local PTA, or something that actually matters.

weeznerps 9y ago

south korea has high rates of circumcision in adulthood, so relevant data (people who would know the difference between how it feels to be circumcised vs uncircumcised) exists https://www.researchgate.net/profile/MG_Pang/publication/6643531_The_effect_of_male_circumcision_on_sexuality/links/0deec518aaafc91b8f000000.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/MG_Pang/publication/664...

Mithaldu 9y ago

> people affected ... have ... even a favorable opinion of their circumcision. Stockholm syndrome is very likely in those cases.