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It's probably off-topic and I'd hate to derail the discussion, but could you outline what you mean with a "Day 2 company"? It's not immediately clear to me, an

It's probably off-topic and I'd hate to derail the discussion, but could you outline what you mean with a "Day 2 company"? It's not immediately clear to me, and as such makes an otherwise good-looking argument feel less "solid".

sinxoveretothex 10y ago
Well, seeing as the nomenclature is not the parent commenter's but Bezos's and seeing as how it's literally explained in the third paragraph of the link said commenter gave, I think there's little to explain.
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- khazhou 10y ago
  He had some nerve asking a question, instead of reading the entire linked document!
  - hi41 10y ago
    Please don't rage and humiliate. Not cool. Not everyone is able to read HN regularly. Have some empathy.
    - CRConrad 10y ago
      I think that _was_ empathy, and don't see any "rage and humiliate" in it at all. Besides perhaps som passive-aggressive such at the parent post's implicit demand that the GP should have "read the entire linked document"... IOW, that was sarcasm. (Not that I've perfectly understood the rules here; does all sarcasm count as "rage and humiliate"?)
  - sinxoveretothex 10y ago
    There's a big difference between not reading everything related to a topic and not even doing the most basic cursory search. Have you never heard of 'how to ask questions the smart way'? Notice how I'm not linking to anything? Do you think you'll have to read the whole Internet to know what I'm talking about?
    - blechinger 10y ago
      You're right. At the same time I think some people want to post in a forum or talk to someone. Some people want conversation. I think that's ok.
      - sinxoveretothex 10y ago
        I get annoyed when people ask something of others without having made a very basic effort themselves. You'll notice for example that even my initial comment pointed the guy to the answer (i.e.: it's in the third paragraph of the link). Now, both requirements aren't opposite, someone could have made a comment like this: I like Bezos's notion of a Day 2 company, how it differs from Day 1, etc. Basically, I like people to show that they aren't asking someone else to do the work for them (or, if they are, at least they made some attempt). That's at least as reasonable a position as the one you just expressed IMO.
valar_m 10y ago
He's referring to earlier comments in the same letter where he talks about answering a question from someone about what Day 2 at Amazon looks like. At Amazon, one of the company mantras is "It's still Day 1." That's a reference to his 1997 letter to the shareholders[0] in which he said: "Amazon.com passed many milestones in 1997: by year-end, we had served more than 1.5 million customers, yielding 838% revenue growth to $147.8 million, and extended our market leadership despite aggressive competitive entry. But this is Day 1 for the Internet and, if we execute well, for Amazon.com." Bezos has attached the 1997 letter to every letter to the shareholders he has written since. There is even a building in Seattle named Day 1[1]. [0] https://www.amazon.com/p/feature/z6o9g6sysxur57t https://www.amazon.com/p/feature/z6o9g6sysxur57t (bottom half of the page) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_1_(building) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_1_(building)
davnicwil 10y ago
In a nutshell, it's Bezos' metaphor for a company that is losing the behaviours it exhibited on 'day 1', such as innovation, pragmatism and risk-taking, which made it successful, drove massive growth, and got it to 'day 2' in the first place.

sinxoveretothex 10y ago

Well, seeing as the nomenclature is not the parent commenter's but Bezos's and seeing as how it's literally explained in the third paragraph of the link said commenter gave, I think there's little to explain.

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khazhou 10y ago
He had some nerve asking a question, instead of reading the entire linked document!
- hi41 10y ago
  Please don't rage and humiliate. Not cool. Not everyone is able to read HN regularly. Have some empathy.
  - CRConrad 10y ago
    I think that _was_ empathy, and don't see any "rage and humiliate" in it at all. Besides perhaps som passive-aggressive such at the parent post's implicit demand that the GP should have "read the entire linked document"... IOW, that was sarcasm. (Not that I've perfectly understood the rules here; does all sarcasm count as "rage and humiliate"?)
- sinxoveretothex 10y ago
  There's a big difference between not reading everything related to a topic and not even doing the most basic cursory search. Have you never heard of 'how to ask questions the smart way'? Notice how I'm not linking to anything? Do you think you'll have to read the whole Internet to know what I'm talking about?
  - blechinger 10y ago
    You're right. At the same time I think some people want to post in a forum or talk to someone. Some people want conversation. I think that's ok.
    - sinxoveretothex 10y ago
      I get annoyed when people ask something of others without having made a very basic effort themselves. You'll notice for example that even my initial comment pointed the guy to the answer (i.e.: it's in the third paragraph of the link). Now, both requirements aren't opposite, someone could have made a comment like this: I like Bezos's notion of a Day 2 company, how it differs from Day 1, etc. Basically, I like people to show that they aren't asking someone else to do the work for them (or, if they are, at least they made some attempt). That's at least as reasonable a position as the one you just expressed IMO.

valar_m 10y ago

He's referring to earlier comments in the same letter where he talks about answering a question from someone about what Day 2 at Amazon looks like. At Amazon, one of the company mantras is "It's still Day 1." That's a reference to his 1997 letter to the shareholders[0] in which he said: "Amazon.com passed many milestones in 1997: by year-end, we had served more than 1.5 million customers, yielding 838% revenue growth to $147.8 million, and extended our market leadership despite aggressive competitive entry. But this is Day 1 for the Internet and, if we execute well, for Amazon.com." Bezos has attached the 1997 letter to every letter to the shareholders he has written since. There is even a building in Seattle named Day 1[1]. [0] https://www.amazon.com/p/feature/z6o9g6sysxur57t https://www.amazon.com/p/feature/z6o9g6sysxur57t (bottom half of the page) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_1_(building) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_1_(building)

davnicwil 10y ago

In a nutshell, it's Bezos' metaphor for a company that is losing the behaviours it exhibited on 'day 1', such as innovation, pragmatism and risk-taking, which made it successful, drove massive growth, and got it to 'day 2' in the first place.