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I think the main reasons this is getting more press is because the resolution is over the ~300 ppi barrier that makes most eyes unable to resolve pixels. The s

I think the main reasons this is getting more press is because the resolution is over the ~300 ppi barrier that makes most eyes unable to resolve pixels. The square design of the iPhone 4 is functional (try balancing a 3GS on its side to do a video call...), so whether you like the design or not it is a necessity.

ergo98 16y ago
>I think the main reasons this is getting more press is because the resolution is over the ~300 ppi barrier that makes most eyes unable to resolve pixels. Ugh. Tell me you don't actually believe that? The resolution of the iPhone 4 was predetermined to simply pixel-double existing iPhone applications (no sloppy scaling or black-bordered apps for the legacy stockpile). It is only marginally denser than several Android phones, and is a big ball of WGAF wrapped in ridiculous market speak. It's great that they increased the resolution to be more competitive with most other high end smartphones, but the retina stuff is such a stretch of nonsense.
- bmalicoat 16y ago
  Well, it is certainly easier for devs that they pixel doubled, but I don't think the resolution is hyperbole, see: http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/ http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/r...
- mediaman 16y ago
  Hey. You seem like a pretty smart guy. Throughout your comments on this thread, though, you've demonstrated a level of condescension, arrogance, and rudeness that is inappropriate for civil dialog between people (see also your comment elsewhere, "the ignorance is incredible"). Your intelligent input would be valued much more highly were you able to rephrase your commentary to show respect for others, even if you know they are wrong. See http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ; specifically, the first two lines under the subheading In Comments.
  - loewenskind 16y ago
    What indication do you have that this person is "pretty smart"? They are obviously blinded by Apple hate and spewing nonsense that's been rebutted in this thread. A "pretty smart" person would be happy that iPhone has on-upped all the competitors. Does the GP think that e.g. Android is going to say "well darn, looks like they made something better. Time to quit"? Of course they will come out with something to compete. As someone said elsewhere in the thread: this is a win for us. We should be happy that iPhone is pushing the envelope just as we should be happy that they changed the game to begin with. You don't have to like them or use them to benefit from their technology.
    - antipaganda 16y ago
      Calling him smart was to try to get him to read the rest.
    - ergo98 16y ago
      >They are obviously blinded by Apple hate and spewing nonsense that's been rebutted in this thread. Does this make you feel smart? I don't hate Apple at all. What I do hate, however, is when reality is rewritten, North Korea style, to favor Apple's great stewardship. It is an incredible offense to anyone with any common sense or actual knowledge. But hey, did you hear that the iPhone invented video calling? It's the first to do it right. Am I right?
      - loewenskind 16y ago
        >Does this make you feel smart? I don't hate Apple at all. What I do hate, however, is when reality is rewritten, North Korea style, to favor Apple's great stewardship. A little disgusted actually. But the fact is reality hasn't been rewritten, as has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. It is obviously your own personal bias that is clouding your judgment. Either that or you have no idea what you're talking about. >But hey, did you hear that the iPhone invented video calling? It's the first to do it right. Am I right? No, the video calling part was mostly bogus. I would say it is completely false, except I'm not sure if the others have literally no setup in the optimal case (in this case, iphone 4 to iphone 4 with both on wifi connections).
Tichy 16y ago
Which is probably just clever marketing by Apple. Doesn't it always depend on how far away from your eyes you hold the phone?
- cheald 16y ago
  Yes, precisely. I can't visually resolve pixels on my 42" 52 PPI TV at a normal viewing distance. I can't resolve pixels on my Nexus One at my normal operating distance unless I look really hard (252 PPI), but I tend to hold it ~12-18 inches away.
- fh 16y ago
  Of course, but the 10-12 inches they quote as normal operating distance is pretty reasonable as far as I'm concerned. So while clever marketing, I wouldn't call it false advertising.
- cmelbye 16y ago
  Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Clever marketing. If you're wondering why people care so much, it's the MARKETING! I bet if I asked 10 non-geeks what a Nexus One was, at least half would have no idea what I'm talking about.

ergo98 16y ago

>I think the main reasons this is getting more press is because the resolution is over the ~300 ppi barrier that makes most eyes unable to resolve pixels. Ugh. Tell me you don't actually believe that? The resolution of the iPhone 4 was predetermined to simply pixel-double existing iPhone applications (no sloppy scaling or black-bordered apps for the legacy stockpile). It is only marginally denser than several Android phones, and is a big ball of WGAF wrapped in ridiculous market speak. It's great that they increased the resolution to be more competitive with most other high end smartphones, but the retina stuff is such a stretch of nonsense.

bmalicoat 16y ago
Well, it is certainly easier for devs that they pixel doubled, but I don't think the resolution is hyperbole, see: http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/ http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/r...
mediaman 16y ago
Hey. You seem like a pretty smart guy. Throughout your comments on this thread, though, you've demonstrated a level of condescension, arrogance, and rudeness that is inappropriate for civil dialog between people (see also your comment elsewhere, "the ignorance is incredible"). Your intelligent input would be valued much more highly were you able to rephrase your commentary to show respect for others, even if you know they are wrong. See http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ; specifically, the first two lines under the subheading In Comments.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  What indication do you have that this person is "pretty smart"? They are obviously blinded by Apple hate and spewing nonsense that's been rebutted in this thread. A "pretty smart" person would be happy that iPhone has on-upped all the competitors. Does the GP think that e.g. Android is going to say "well darn, looks like they made something better. Time to quit"? Of course they will come out with something to compete. As someone said elsewhere in the thread: this is a win for us. We should be happy that iPhone is pushing the envelope just as we should be happy that they changed the game to begin with. You don't have to like them or use them to benefit from their technology.
  - antipaganda 16y ago
    Calling him smart was to try to get him to read the rest.
  - ergo98 16y ago
    >They are obviously blinded by Apple hate and spewing nonsense that's been rebutted in this thread. Does this make you feel smart? I don't hate Apple at all. What I do hate, however, is when reality is rewritten, North Korea style, to favor Apple's great stewardship. It is an incredible offense to anyone with any common sense or actual knowledge. But hey, did you hear that the iPhone invented video calling? It's the first to do it right. Am I right?
    - loewenskind 16y ago
      >Does this make you feel smart? I don't hate Apple at all. What I do hate, however, is when reality is rewritten, North Korea style, to favor Apple's great stewardship. A little disgusted actually. But the fact is reality hasn't been rewritten, as has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. It is obviously your own personal bias that is clouding your judgment. Either that or you have no idea what you're talking about. >But hey, did you hear that the iPhone invented video calling? It's the first to do it right. Am I right? No, the video calling part was mostly bogus. I would say it is completely false, except I'm not sure if the others have literally no setup in the optimal case (in this case, iphone 4 to iphone 4 with both on wifi connections).

Tichy 16y ago

Which is probably just clever marketing by Apple. Doesn't it always depend on how far away from your eyes you hold the phone?

cheald 16y ago
Yes, precisely. I can't visually resolve pixels on my 42" 52 PPI TV at a normal viewing distance. I can't resolve pixels on my Nexus One at my normal operating distance unless I look really hard (252 PPI), but I tend to hold it ~12-18 inches away.
fh 16y ago
Of course, but the 10-12 inches they quote as normal operating distance is pretty reasonable as far as I'm concerned. So while clever marketing, I wouldn't call it false advertising.
cmelbye 16y ago
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Clever marketing. If you're wondering why people care so much, it's the MARKETING! I bet if I asked 10 non-geeks what a Nexus One was, at least half would have no idea what I'm talking about.