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I live in France near the Swiss-France border and all this talk about how more borders will reduce terrorism and immigration is completely bullshit. I cross ev

by Faaak 9y ago

I live in France near the Swiss-France border and all this talk about how more borders will reduce terrorism and immigration is completely bullshit. I cross every day the border. Twice a week, I cross another border which is meant to be closed from 19h to 6h (many small borders near the FR-CH do that). There is a simply locked barrier. Nothing more. This has been here for 25+ years. Of course, I've crossed "illegally" this border by bike plenty of times (its faster) and it has been very very easy (I won't even talk about all the woods around the border that haven't got a single fence). A terrorist wanting to cross a border would be very stupid to get caught. So all this talk about how getting out of the EU is complete bullshit to me.

wsc981 9y ago
I've seen borders working fine. For example in Israel. Hungary seems to be doing well also. I don't believe in this rhetoric that borders don't work. Back when I was a small boy, almost every month there was some bombing going on in Israel. These attacks have been greatly reduced by several measures, including the building of the wall.
- Faaak 9y ago
  Can you imagine a wall all around France ‽ As for the second par of your argument, I don't know the context but to me it seems more of a correlation than a causation.
  - LyndsySimon 9y ago
    Yeah, imagine France building a wall! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line
    - FoeNyx 9y ago
      And let's not forget the infamous Atlantic Wall ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Wall
polotics 9y ago
The Geneva border is under heavy drone surveillance. Try crossing with an AK on your back.
- Faaak 9y ago
  This is completely false.
Yetanfou 9y ago
Closed borders means more than just closed border crossings. It implies that foreigners need to be able to identify themselves and show their residence permits, border ingress stamps or other proof of them being in the country legally. In this sense it can be compared to the visa waiver which non-Americans from eligible countries needed to sign before crossing the US border. It contained questions in the line of 'Are you entering the US to commit crimes' and 'Were you active in the Nazi-party in Germany from 1932-1945'. While no criminal worth her salt would answer the former question with 'yes', it did give an additional legal handle to expel her should she be caught, as well as legal grounds to deny her access the next time she tried to enter the US. This is not possible with 'open borders' as the police and 'border guard' have a very limited mandate to check on what they deem to be suspect individuals.

by Faaak 9y ago

wsc981 9y ago

I've seen borders working fine. For example in Israel. Hungary seems to be doing well also. I don't believe in this rhetoric that borders don't work. Back when I was a small boy, almost every month there was some bombing going on in Israel. These attacks have been greatly reduced by several measures, including the building of the wall.

Faaak 9y ago
Can you imagine a wall all around France ‽ As for the second par of your argument, I don't know the context but to me it seems more of a correlation than a causation.
- LyndsySimon 9y ago
  Yeah, imagine France building a wall! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line
  - FoeNyx 9y ago
    And let's not forget the infamous Atlantic Wall ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Wall

polotics 9y ago

The Geneva border is under heavy drone surveillance. Try crossing with an AK on your back.

Faaak 9y ago
This is completely false.

Yetanfou 9y ago

Closed borders means more than just closed border crossings. It implies that foreigners need to be able to identify themselves and show their residence permits, border ingress stamps or other proof of them being in the country legally. In this sense it can be compared to the visa waiver which non-Americans from eligible countries needed to sign before crossing the US border. It contained questions in the line of 'Are you entering the US to commit crimes' and 'Were you active in the Nazi-party in Germany from 1932-1945'. While no criminal worth her salt would answer the former question with 'yes', it did give an additional legal handle to expel her should she be caught, as well as legal grounds to deny her access the next time she tried to enter the US. This is not possible with 'open borders' as the police and 'border guard' have a very limited mandate to check on what they deem to be suspect individuals.