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Did she set up concentration camps or plans to?
by alexro 9y ago
Did she set up concentration camps or plans to?
- bonaldi 9y agoDo you think that is the sole criterion for being able to call her a fascist? Because it's not. And a French court ruled it is legitimate to call her fascist too: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/20/french-courts-yes-its-okay-to-call-marine-le-pen-a-fascist-or-worse/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/20...
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y agoThe Left – tolerant as ever when it comes to differing opinions.
- DonHopkins 9y agoWhat's wrong with not tolerating intolerance? Not to be confused with not tolerating not tolerating intolerance, which is a totally different thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1. Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. He concluded that we are warranted in refusing to tolerate intolerance: "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
- __ddd__ 9y agoYou didn't present your argument in meme form, not sure you're going to change any minds... When a negative tendency must be negated, there are always people who pretend the negation is no different. It's a question of what/who not to tolerate, and why -- the answer doesn't fit in an image macro or on a bumper sticker, just as it can't be packaged in a word like "intolerance".
- DonHopkins 9y agoThey believe the left not tolerating their "different opinions" cancels out their "different opinions" of not tolerating people because of their race, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y agoA sizeable portion of the modern Left definitely say that believing in the concept of borders and controlled immigration is intolerance – and thus unacceptable – but fail to see that it is an opinion, not a fact. This is one area where the modern Left nears actual fascists, by (conveniently for them) labelling some arbitrary opinions as “invalid”. Another opinion is to call it intolerance to have doors and locks in homes. What, you don't tolerate trespassers there? Should that intolerance be tolerated?
- DonHopkins 9y agoYou're attacking imaginary straw men. And you're throwing around words whose definition you don't understand. Instead of stereotyping and attacking large diverse groups of people like you're attempting to do, let's talk about someone who really exists, and whose words are on the record, not a hypothetical subject for debate. Calling Mexicans "rapists" is intolerance. Do you tolerate people who brag about grabbing women by the "pussy"? Is the opinion that you can get away with sexual assault if you're rich a valid opinion?
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y agoNo I'm not (on both counts). But you're switching the subject... (There is nothing to be gained from this discussion, not that I didn't know it from the start.)
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- spiderfarmer 9y agoThe people blaming the left for not tolerating intolerance don't actually think this deep, to them it's just a meme or oneliner, often coupled with exclamation marks and words like snowflake, liberal tears and cuck.
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- angry-hacker 9y agoThen islamophobia is also fine, since I don't tolerate sick archaic beliefs.
- jupp0r 9y agoNot that I'm aware of, but that's actually orthogonal to facsism, think of Soviet labor camps, North Korea, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism. > Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. This fits pretty well to Le Pen (and Trump if you think about it).
- azag0 9y agoJust read the wikipedia article on fascism for a start
- wayn3 9y agoShe said that we should drop ebola on Romania as it would solve 2 problems: - We would gain valuable research data and - Get rid of a bunch of undesirables
- petre 9y agoSource?
- wayn3 9y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-pen-ebola-population-explosion-europe-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-... was on the news a couple years ago. seems like it was her daddy. my bad.
- angry-hacker 9y agoPretty big difference. Check your facts next time and stop the fearmongering.
- petre 9y agoThank you.
- sctb 9y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14286716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14286716 and marked it off-topic.