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Who are you calling "morons", the media companies or the people who support Brexit? This is the kind of arrogance that got Brexit to succeed and Trump to become

Who are you calling "morons", the media companies or the people who support Brexit? This is the kind of arrogance that got Brexit to succeed and Trump to become president, the habit of liberals labelling people who disagree with them racists, populists, Islamophobes, homophobes and everything else you can think of. If you want Trump to stay in power for 2 terms and Brexiteers to come out in greater numbers keep opining in that manner. Democracy implies respecting the will of the majority whether you agree with them or not, regardless of how misinformed or ignorant they are, and a willingness to work them to bring about a change in their views if you are convinced about yours. The same attitude here is the same attitude seen by EU officials who feel express openly that the expect the leaders of their member states should put their (the EU leaders) views ahead of their electorates, and you feel that because of some real or imagined benefits of their rule the rest of the public ought to put up with that arrogance.

eropple 9y ago
> Democracy implies respecting the will of the majority whether you agree with them or not Really, profoundly odd that you start going off about Trump in the same post where you write this. He didn't win the popular vote. He does not represent the will of the majority.
- vfclists 9y ago
  It is the electoral college vote that determines the Presidency and they vote according in accord with their state constituents choices. That is how the American presidency works, and if I am right, they are still happy with it.
  - eropple 9y ago
    Are those goalposts heavy?
- jessaustin 9y ago
  While just 4 percent of Trump's supporters say they would back someone else if there was a redo of the election, fully 15 percent of Clinton supporters say they would ditch her. Trump leads in a re-do of the 2016 election 43 percent to 40 percent after losing the popular vote 46-44. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/tr...
notahacker 9y ago
I'm applying the term "morons" members of the political class and their media mouthpieces who scream about the 16million people who disagreed with them (or indeed, anybody that might suggest alternative forms of Brexit to that proposed by the government) being "saboteurs" who must be "crushed". Democracy implies that people whose political objective is shared by the majority aren't supposed to be quite so paranoid and aggressive about people continuing to disagree with them. Your post started with an question about what I had meant and then (obviously considering what I'd actually meant unimportant) immediately descended into a verbal assault on your entirely imaginary concept of what my worldview might be, culminating in asserting my "attitude" of objecting to sections of the press using violent rhetoric to try to silence people who don't share their worldview is akin to the position of European Commission members. And you're accusing me of arrogance? Seriously?

eropple 9y ago

> Democracy implies respecting the will of the majority whether you agree with them or not Really, profoundly odd that you start going off about Trump in the same post where you write this. He didn't win the popular vote. He does not represent the will of the majority.

vfclists 9y ago
It is the electoral college vote that determines the Presidency and they vote according in accord with their state constituents choices. That is how the American presidency works, and if I am right, they are still happy with it.
- eropple 9y ago
  Are those goalposts heavy?
jessaustin 9y ago
While just 4 percent of Trump's supporters say they would back someone else if there was a redo of the election, fully 15 percent of Clinton supporters say they would ditch her. Trump leads in a re-do of the 2016 election 43 percent to 40 percent after losing the popular vote 46-44. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/tr...

notahacker 9y ago

I'm applying the term "morons" members of the political class and their media mouthpieces who scream about the 16million people who disagreed with them (or indeed, anybody that might suggest alternative forms of Brexit to that proposed by the government) being "saboteurs" who must be "crushed". Democracy implies that people whose political objective is shared by the majority aren't supposed to be quite so paranoid and aggressive about people continuing to disagree with them. Your post started with an question about what I had meant and then (obviously considering what I'd actually meant unimportant) immediately descended into a verbal assault on your entirely imaginary concept of what my worldview might be, culminating in asserting my "attitude" of objecting to sections of the press using violent rhetoric to try to silence people who don't share their worldview is akin to the position of European Commission members. And you're accusing me of arrogance? Seriously?