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"people in Britain actually disliked EU enough to want to get out of it" The people of Britain where split 52% - 48%. Hardly a clear mandate politicians make i

by sorokod 10y ago

"people in Britain actually disliked EU enough to want to get out of it" The people of Britain where split 52% - 48%. Hardly a clear mandate politicians make it to be.

digi_owl 10y ago
Note that the split was between classes, a term that has been anathema in western politics since the 80s or so. Present and former industrial workers basically all voted leave, while knowledge workers and finance voted remain. What is telling is how the former class' way of life was ravaged first by thatcher's union busting, and then by management (under pressure from finance) either moving production abroad, or shipping cheap workers in. Knowledge workers, particularly the kind that is frequenting this very site, have a much easier time moving around as the needs or desires require. Especially as the market segment prefer younger employees, unlikely to be "burdened" by family and such.
- MarkMc 10y ago
  > Present and former industrial workers basically all voted leave, while knowledge workers and finance voted remain. Do you have a source for that claim? According to The Australian: "Leave was backed by almost two-thirds of those considered “working class and non-workers”, meaning skilled manual workers through to those with lower grade jobs, pensioners or welfare dependants." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/brexit-who-voted-leave-the-old-less-educated-and-christians/news-story/55d06ce2bf15e99fe577d0f2fefa25ef http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/brexit-who-vot...
- sorokod 10y ago
  You omitted the young Vs old divide.
- Boothroid 10y ago
  'shipping cheap workers in'.. and from where did these workers come? The EU perhaps?
krona 10y ago
Hence the general election.
- sorokod 10y ago
  Don't think it is "hence". Whether to exit the EU or not is not up for vote.
  - krona 10y ago
    Yes, it is. The commission have said article 50 is reversible, and intermediate arrangements can be indefinite. One party is campaigning for another referendum. And so on. Your original comment was about mandate; that is what I will be voting for.
    - sorokod 10y ago
      " krona 2 minutes ago [-] Yes, it is. The commission have said article 50 is reversible, and intermediate arrangements can be indefinite. One party is campaigning for another referendum. And so on. Your original comment was about mandate; that is what I will be voting for." I have no problem with that.

by sorokod 10y ago

"people in Britain actually disliked EU enough to want to get out of it" The people of Britain where split 52% - 48%. Hardly a clear mandate politicians make it to be.

digi_owl 10y ago

Note that the split was between classes, a term that has been anathema in western politics since the 80s or so. Present and former industrial workers basically all voted leave, while knowledge workers and finance voted remain. What is telling is how the former class' way of life was ravaged first by thatcher's union busting, and then by management (under pressure from finance) either moving production abroad, or shipping cheap workers in. Knowledge workers, particularly the kind that is frequenting this very site, have a much easier time moving around as the needs or desires require. Especially as the market segment prefer younger employees, unlikely to be "burdened" by family and such.

MarkMc 10y ago
> Present and former industrial workers basically all voted leave, while knowledge workers and finance voted remain. Do you have a source for that claim? According to The Australian: "Leave was backed by almost two-thirds of those considered “working class and non-workers”, meaning skilled manual workers through to those with lower grade jobs, pensioners or welfare dependants." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/brexit-who-voted-leave-the-old-less-educated-and-christians/news-story/55d06ce2bf15e99fe577d0f2fefa25ef http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/brexit-who-vot...
sorokod 10y ago
You omitted the young Vs old divide.
Boothroid 10y ago
'shipping cheap workers in'.. and from where did these workers come? The EU perhaps?

krona 10y ago

Hence the general election.

sorokod 10y ago
Don't think it is "hence". Whether to exit the EU or not is not up for vote.
- krona 10y ago
  Yes, it is. The commission have said article 50 is reversible, and intermediate arrangements can be indefinite. One party is campaigning for another referendum. And so on. Your original comment was about mandate; that is what I will be voting for.
  - sorokod 10y ago
    " krona 2 minutes ago [-] Yes, it is. The commission have said article 50 is reversible, and intermediate arrangements can be indefinite. One party is campaigning for another referendum. And so on. Your original comment was about mandate; that is what I will be voting for." I have no problem with that.