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> Those individuals capable of contributing the most to meeting the needs and desires of the most individuals deserve the most resources to enable them. Deserv

> Those individuals capable of contributing the most to meeting the needs and desires of the most individuals deserve the most resources to enable them. Deserve? Deserve? Seriously? Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? Does Bill Gates deserve $90 billion? But Albert Einstein deserves only $900K? Zuckerberg, inventor of Facebook, deserves $45 billion, but the Tim-Berners Lee, the inventor of the web, deserves some tiny faction of that? The 80 richest billionaires deserves as much as the bottom 50% of the Earth's population? A scrawny computer programmer makes ten times the farmhand. But suddenly the two are stranded on an island, where muscle and hunting skills are more important than computer skills. Does the farmhand suddenly become a more deserving person, deserving ten times the food?

prostoalex 9y ago
> Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? Survivor bias. For the sake of proper comparison it should be all hedge fund managers combined vs all kindergarten teachers combined - a good portion of hedge fund managers never see any money (or, better yet, are main contributors to their fund and then promptly go into negative). Not saying that averages work out better for teachers, but a random teacher likely has a larger paycheck than a random fund manager. Next up - does the guy who bought a $1 PowerBall ticket deserve 100% of the jackpot when there are honest hard-working people who bought five times as many tickets?
- eevilspock 9y ago
  No. Don't change the question or introduce a red herring. Simply answer it: Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? And to your "next up": No. Luck != deserve. That is essentially my point, and the implicit point of the OP. A primitive society leaves all to luck. An advanced, mature, fair society does its best to eliminate chance (e.g. insurance, the root meaning of which is precisely that). The lottery is a patently backward thing (the opposite of insurance) and I'm appalled that our state governments perpetrate and profit from such harmful and exploitative things.
  - paulddraper 9y ago
    prostoalex's point is that hedge fund management varies greatly in its pay, while kingergarten teaching does not. If you want to "play the lottery", do the former. If not, do the latter. It's a free society.
  - sumedh 9y ago
    > Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? These are hard questions to answer. Lot of people can become a kindergarten teacher but not a lot of people can become a successful hedge fund manager. So in the end the free market decides who deserves more.
    - specialist 9y ago
      Interesting. I've been hearing a lot about the "free market". Can you provide an example?
      - sumedh 9y ago
        If you are a school and want to hire kindergarten teacher, you will put an ad and get lot of response, you may or may not want the best because you know that average teacher will be ok too. So you hire the average teacher with average salary. If you are looking to invest your money with a hedge fund manager you want to go with the guy who has a great historical record but the hedge fund manager knows that too so he will charge a premium but you are ready to pay that premium because of his good historical record. So the free market decides that average teachers are good enough and they will do the job with average salary. But in the world of hedge funds, average managers are not good enough, you want the best and you are ready to pay a premium to get the best manager.
        RugnirViking 9y ago
        > If you are a school and want to hire kindergarten teacher, you will put an ad and get lot of response Given that there is a massive teacher shortage[1][2][3], and there is no shortage of aspiring hedge fund managers, can you come up with a model that reflects more accurately reality? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/america-has-a-teacher-shortage-and-a-new-study-says-its-getting-worse/2016/09/14/d5de1cee-79e8-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/america-has-a... [2]:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/teacher-shortage/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/teacher-shortage/ [3]:https://edsource.org/2016/states-teacher-shortage-hitting-alarming-rates-for-2016-17-new-survey-says/573497 https://edsource.org/2016/states-teacher-shortage-hitting-al...
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prostoalex 9y ago

> Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? Survivor bias. For the sake of proper comparison it should be all hedge fund managers combined vs all kindergarten teachers combined - a good portion of hedge fund managers never see any money (or, better yet, are main contributors to their fund and then promptly go into negative). Not saying that averages work out better for teachers, but a random teacher likely has a larger paycheck than a random fund manager. Next up - does the guy who bought a $1 PowerBall ticket deserve 100% of the jackpot when there are honest hard-working people who bought five times as many tickets?

eevilspock 9y ago
No. Don't change the question or introduce a red herring. Simply answer it: Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? And to your "next up": No. Luck != deserve. That is essentially my point, and the implicit point of the OP. A primitive society leaves all to luck. An advanced, mature, fair society does its best to eliminate chance (e.g. insurance, the root meaning of which is precisely that). The lottery is a patently backward thing (the opposite of insurance) and I'm appalled that our state governments perpetrate and profit from such harmful and exploitative things.
- paulddraper 9y ago
  prostoalex's point is that hedge fund management varies greatly in its pay, while kingergarten teaching does not. If you want to "play the lottery", do the former. If not, do the latter. It's a free society.
- sumedh 9y ago
  > Do the top 25 hedge fund managers deserve more than all kindergarten teachers combine? These are hard questions to answer. Lot of people can become a kindergarten teacher but not a lot of people can become a successful hedge fund manager. So in the end the free market decides who deserves more.
  - specialist 9y ago
    Interesting. I've been hearing a lot about the "free market". Can you provide an example?
    - sumedh 9y ago
      If you are a school and want to hire kindergarten teacher, you will put an ad and get lot of response, you may or may not want the best because you know that average teacher will be ok too. So you hire the average teacher with average salary. If you are looking to invest your money with a hedge fund manager you want to go with the guy who has a great historical record but the hedge fund manager knows that too so he will charge a premium but you are ready to pay that premium because of his good historical record. So the free market decides that average teachers are good enough and they will do the job with average salary. But in the world of hedge funds, average managers are not good enough, you want the best and you are ready to pay a premium to get the best manager.
      - RugnirViking 9y ago
        > If you are a school and want to hire kindergarten teacher, you will put an ad and get lot of response Given that there is a massive teacher shortage[1][2][3], and there is no shortage of aspiring hedge fund managers, can you come up with a model that reflects more accurately reality? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/america-has-a-teacher-shortage-and-a-new-study-says-its-getting-worse/2016/09/14/d5de1cee-79e8-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/america-has-a... [2]:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/teacher-shortage/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/teacher-shortage/ [3]:https://edsource.org/2016/states-teacher-shortage-hitting-alarming-rates-for-2016-17-new-survey-says/573497 https://edsource.org/2016/states-teacher-shortage-hitting-al...

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