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You shouldn't have any problems. But you do. After fifteen years running my own mail systems, I have finally given up. Ever more outgoing mail was getting los

You shouldn't have any problems. But you do. After fifteen years running my own mail systems, I have finally given up. Ever more outgoing mail was getting lost, despite everything being up to date and done by the book. The arch villains, over and over, were Gmail and the MS thing - Hotmail, outlook.com, Live, whatever they call it.

techsupporter 9y ago
> After fifteen years running my own mail systems, I have finally given up. Same here. I've been hosting my own e-mail for two decades (as of this year) and I gave up earlier this year. My spouse's e-mail to friends who use GMail--something like 80% of them--would, every couple of months, disappear into the recipient's spam folder or sometimes just disappear entirely. My logs would show a successful delivery but the recipient couldn't find the message anywhere. Occasionally messages would start going into junk in the middle of a conversation. Nothing I changed would permanently fix it. I'd send from a different IP in my block (something.something.194 instead of something.something.193) and mail would flow again...for a couple of months and then stop. My domain registration predates Google's existence by 18 months. I've been sending from the same IP subnet for six years. My colo provider is actually so small that I'm the only customer left on my "neighborhood" /24 (they've recently asked me if I want the entire block routed to me for the lulz). I have SPF, DKIM, and DMARC all set up and they've not changed for at least two years. The amount of mail outbound from my server is (was?) so little that I could tail the outbound mail log and keep up with each message being sent. None of that mattered. I even signed up for Google's Postmaster Tools but, and this really cooked my goose, I send so little e-mail that I don't qualify to show up on their reports. I tried contacting Google but hahahahahahahahahahahaha--wheeze--hahahahahahahaha. No other recipient had a problem with me. Messages were successfully delivered to Microsoft and Yahoo just fine. Only Google had a problem with my e-mail. I finally caved. Google has SO MUCH of the e-mail market that unreachability to them is a catastrophe...and they know it. I don't have the leverage to make them play nice. Thankfully, Fastmail does so I've changed to them. For the first time since February 1997 my MX doesn't point to my own server and that makes me a little sad.
- interfixus 9y ago
  My experience exactly, though I didn't bother to spell it out in detail. Also the final move to Fastmail, who, it must be said, serves me nicely and well.
  - techsupporter 9y ago
    Yep, if it weren't for Fastmail I'd still be hosting my own e-mail and just quietly cursing the existence of Gmail. Now I get to have high significant other acceptance factor and curse the existence of Gmail.

techsupporter 9y ago

> After fifteen years running my own mail systems, I have finally given up. Same here. I've been hosting my own e-mail for two decades (as of this year) and I gave up earlier this year. My spouse's e-mail to friends who use GMail--something like 80% of them--would, every couple of months, disappear into the recipient's spam folder or sometimes just disappear entirely. My logs would show a successful delivery but the recipient couldn't find the message anywhere. Occasionally messages would start going into junk in the middle of a conversation. Nothing I changed would permanently fix it. I'd send from a different IP in my block (something.something.194 instead of something.something.193) and mail would flow again...for a couple of months and then stop. My domain registration predates Google's existence by 18 months. I've been sending from the same IP subnet for six years. My colo provider is actually so small that I'm the only customer left on my "neighborhood" /24 (they've recently asked me if I want the entire block routed to me for the lulz). I have SPF, DKIM, and DMARC all set up and they've not changed for at least two years. The amount of mail outbound from my server is (was?) so little that I could tail the outbound mail log and keep up with each message being sent. None of that mattered. I even signed up for Google's Postmaster Tools but, and this really cooked my goose, I send so little e-mail that I don't qualify to show up on their reports. I tried contacting Google but hahahahahahahahahahahaha--wheeze--hahahahahahahaha. No other recipient had a problem with me. Messages were successfully delivered to Microsoft and Yahoo just fine. Only Google had a problem with my e-mail. I finally caved. Google has SO MUCH of the e-mail market that unreachability to them is a catastrophe...and they know it. I don't have the leverage to make them play nice. Thankfully, Fastmail does so I've changed to them. For the first time since February 1997 my MX doesn't point to my own server and that makes me a little sad.

interfixus 9y ago
My experience exactly, though I didn't bother to spell it out in detail. Also the final move to Fastmail, who, it must be said, serves me nicely and well.
- techsupporter 9y ago
  Yep, if it weren't for Fastmail I'd still be hosting my own e-mail and just quietly cursing the existence of Gmail. Now I get to have high significant other acceptance factor and curse the existence of Gmail.