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I live in a beach town popular with people driving down the Australian East coast in vans. The problem we have here is that these vans don't have toilet facili

I live in a beach town popular with people driving down the Australian East coast in vans. The problem we have here is that these vans don't have toilet facilities so you end up with people using the bushes along the beach as toilets.

sumedh 9y ago
So catch the people who are using the bushes as toilets don't make it illegal for people to sleep in their cars.
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- sanswork 9y ago
  Right so then how do you offset the cost of having to hire rangers to patrol the beach areas at night all year round? And how does that fix the problem where people just wait for the ranger to pass then quickly go and do what they need to do? It's not an easy problem. The town I live in is debating it and working with other coastal councils to try and come up with solutions since the drivers do bring in a lot of revenue to the towns. Overnight washrooms are prone to vandalism that makes them costly to maintain for an example of a problem with an "obvious" solution.
  - sumedh 9y ago
    I agree it's not an easy problem to solve. You are going to need rangers to patrol anyway to see if the cars/vans have people sleeping in them. Have overnight washrooms and have cameras to monitor them(obviously not inside the washrooms) as well as the streets. It's not a foolproof solution and the council still has to make a decision if all the expenses are worth it or not.
    - sanswork 9y ago
      >You are going to need rangers to patrol anyway to see if the cars/vans have people sleeping in them. Yes but they only have to do a single pass and they can nab everyone sleeping in their vehicle. To catch people going to the toilet in public they need to be there all the time. >Have overnight washrooms and have cameras to monitor them(obviously not inside the washrooms) What good do cameras outside the washrooms do to stop vandalism inside?
      - sumedh 9y ago
        Well if you make those arguments then yes banning sleeping in cars is the easier solution.
        sanswork 9y ago
        Easier but not ideal. Which brings us back to it being a really tough problem.
  - theparanoid 9y ago
    California at some point changed most restrooms to be vandalism resistant (metal toilets, no toilet seats, etc). It's worked fairly well.
    - sanswork 9y ago
      They have switched the highway rest stops to these around me. I did stop at one a few months back where someone had stuffed various stuff in all the toilets to make them unusable. They must have did quite the number on them since it was still shut and fenced off over a week later when I drove past it again!
- shalmanese 9y ago
  We can solve this problem simply by only allowing people to sleep in cars plumbed into the sewerage system.

sumedh 9y ago

So catch the people who are using the bushes as toilets don't make it illegal for people to sleep in their cars.

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sanswork 9y ago
Right so then how do you offset the cost of having to hire rangers to patrol the beach areas at night all year round? And how does that fix the problem where people just wait for the ranger to pass then quickly go and do what they need to do? It's not an easy problem. The town I live in is debating it and working with other coastal councils to try and come up with solutions since the drivers do bring in a lot of revenue to the towns. Overnight washrooms are prone to vandalism that makes them costly to maintain for an example of a problem with an "obvious" solution.
- sumedh 9y ago
  I agree it's not an easy problem to solve. You are going to need rangers to patrol anyway to see if the cars/vans have people sleeping in them. Have overnight washrooms and have cameras to monitor them(obviously not inside the washrooms) as well as the streets. It's not a foolproof solution and the council still has to make a decision if all the expenses are worth it or not.
  - sanswork 9y ago
    >You are going to need rangers to patrol anyway to see if the cars/vans have people sleeping in them. Yes but they only have to do a single pass and they can nab everyone sleeping in their vehicle. To catch people going to the toilet in public they need to be there all the time. >Have overnight washrooms and have cameras to monitor them(obviously not inside the washrooms) What good do cameras outside the washrooms do to stop vandalism inside?
    - sumedh 9y ago
      Well if you make those arguments then yes banning sleeping in cars is the easier solution.
      - sanswork 9y ago
        Easier but not ideal. Which brings us back to it being a really tough problem.
- theparanoid 9y ago
  California at some point changed most restrooms to be vandalism resistant (metal toilets, no toilet seats, etc). It's worked fairly well.
  - sanswork 9y ago
    They have switched the highway rest stops to these around me. I did stop at one a few months back where someone had stuffed various stuff in all the toilets to make them unusable. They must have did quite the number on them since it was still shut and fenced off over a week later when I drove past it again!
shalmanese 9y ago
We can solve this problem simply by only allowing people to sleep in cars plumbed into the sewerage system.