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Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? Also this isn't about whether a group is offended, it's about thei

Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? Also this isn't about whether a group is offended, it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country. Why do we have laws outlawing things like stalking? Oh sure, it's alright because as long as they dont actually harm the victim, the stalker is simply exercising their right to move around. Although I gave you the benefit of the doubt, you have seriously misguided reasons for supporting hate speech.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
I'm saying I prefer the laws of my country where you're supposed to be an adult. Hate speech is still speech. If you don't defend free speech even when you despise the content the most, don't bother having the rights. Edit due to HN throttling: There are costs to living in a free society. I choose to live in the society that I do, and in most cases other options are available to those who don't share my country's ideals (and other country's they can emigrate to). I can empathize with those who feel persecuted while not being willing to compromise on inalienable rights. That's how tyranny begins.
- rubatuga 10y ago
  Do you not empathize with how it affects the wellbeing of the citizen in question? Wouldn't you agree that fear of a persons life being in danger is not something we should allow?
LyndsySimon 10y ago
> Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? No one said that. Proponents of free speech are saying that freedom of speech extends to people with abhorrent views as well. > it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country There is no such right.
- rubatuga 10y ago
  It's a shame that isn't the case in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person

toomuchtodo 10y ago

I'm saying I prefer the laws of my country where you're supposed to be an adult. Hate speech is still speech. If you don't defend free speech even when you despise the content the most, don't bother having the rights. Edit due to HN throttling: There are costs to living in a free society. I choose to live in the society that I do, and in most cases other options are available to those who don't share my country's ideals (and other country's they can emigrate to). I can empathize with those who feel persecuted while not being willing to compromise on inalienable rights. That's how tyranny begins.

rubatuga 10y ago
Do you not empathize with how it affects the wellbeing of the citizen in question? Wouldn't you agree that fear of a persons life being in danger is not something we should allow?

LyndsySimon 10y ago

> Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? No one said that. Proponents of free speech are saying that freedom of speech extends to people with abhorrent views as well. > it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country There is no such right.

rubatuga 10y ago
It's a shame that isn't the case in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person