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Well... There is this thing called "hate speech", you know... And at least here in Canada, it is totally illegal. No freedom there at all. Is hate speech all

by realo 9y ago

Well... There is this thing called "hate speech", you know... And at least here in Canada, it is totally illegal. No freedom there at all. Is hate speech allowed in the US, in the name of "freedom" and "amendments"? I hope not.

LyndsySimon 9y ago
> Is hate speech allowed in the US, in the name of "freedom" and "amendments"? I hope not. Yes, it is, and not by accident.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  It's not often I can be proud of the US, but this is one of those times I can be.
  - rubatuga 9y ago
    Alright, I applaud your love for free speech, but what good do you or anybody else get by inciting hatred on a particular group?
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      Critical thinking and the free expression of ideas? Far more important than insuring you're not offended. There's a reason it's called "free speech", not "speech that mostly won't offend". No one has the right to not be offended by ideas in a public forum. If you're unable to handle that, show yourself out if the forum has been granted.
      - rubatuga 9y ago
        Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? Also this isn't about whether a group is offended, it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country. Why do we have laws outlawing things like stalking? Oh sure, it's alright because as long as they dont actually harm the victim, the stalker is simply exercising their right to move around. Although I gave you the benefit of the doubt, you have seriously misguided reasons for supporting hate speech.
        toomuchtodo 9y ago
        I'm saying I prefer the laws of my country where you're supposed to be an adult. Hate speech is still speech. If you don't defend free speech even when you despise the content the most, don't bother having the rights. Edit due to HN throttling: There are costs to living in a free society. I choose to live in the society that I do, and in most cases other options are available to those who don't share my country's ideals (and other country's they can emigrate to). I can empathize with those who feel persecuted while not being willing to compromise on inalienable rights. That's how tyranny begins.
        rubatuga 9y ago
        Do you not empathize with how it affects the wellbeing of the citizen in question? Wouldn't you agree that fear of a persons life being in danger is not something we should allow?
        LyndsySimon 9y ago
        > Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? No one said that. Proponents of free speech are saying that freedom of speech extends to people with abhorrent views as well. > it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country There is no such right.
        rubatuga 9y ago
        It's a shame that isn't the case in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person
nyolfen 9y ago
we have free speech in the united states, and it's one of the things i'm extremely grateful for. it's unbelievable to me that nominally liberal western nations abridge the right, doubly so that someone would be so smug about their state determining what they're allowed to say
rubatuga 9y ago
I'm actually really surprised that the states doesn't make it illegal. I guess we Canadians take it for granted?
jopython 9y ago
What is hate speech?

by realo 9y ago

LyndsySimon 9y ago

> Is hate speech allowed in the US, in the name of "freedom" and "amendments"? I hope not. Yes, it is, and not by accident.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
It's not often I can be proud of the US, but this is one of those times I can be.
- rubatuga 9y ago
  Alright, I applaud your love for free speech, but what good do you or anybody else get by inciting hatred on a particular group?
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    Critical thinking and the free expression of ideas? Far more important than insuring you're not offended. There's a reason it's called "free speech", not "speech that mostly won't offend". No one has the right to not be offended by ideas in a public forum. If you're unable to handle that, show yourself out if the forum has been granted.
    - rubatuga 9y ago
      Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? Also this isn't about whether a group is offended, it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country. Why do we have laws outlawing things like stalking? Oh sure, it's alright because as long as they dont actually harm the victim, the stalker is simply exercising their right to move around. Although I gave you the benefit of the doubt, you have seriously misguided reasons for supporting hate speech.
      - toomuchtodo 9y ago
        I'm saying I prefer the laws of my country where you're supposed to be an adult. Hate speech is still speech. If you don't defend free speech even when you despise the content the most, don't bother having the rights. Edit due to HN throttling: There are costs to living in a free society. I choose to live in the society that I do, and in most cases other options are available to those who don't share my country's ideals (and other country's they can emigrate to). I can empathize with those who feel persecuted while not being willing to compromise on inalienable rights. That's how tyranny begins.
        rubatuga 9y ago
        Do you not empathize with how it affects the wellbeing of the citizen in question? Wouldn't you agree that fear of a persons life being in danger is not something we should allow?
      - LyndsySimon 9y ago
        > Are you kidding me? You're saying you want to incite hatred just for the sake of free speech? No one said that. Proponents of free speech are saying that freedom of speech extends to people with abhorrent views as well. > it's about their rights to feel safe within their own country There is no such right.
        rubatuga 9y ago
        It's a shame that isn't the case in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person

nyolfen 9y ago

we have free speech in the united states, and it's one of the things i'm extremely grateful for. it's unbelievable to me that nominally liberal western nations abridge the right, doubly so that someone would be so smug about their state determining what they're allowed to say

rubatuga 9y ago

I'm actually really surprised that the states doesn't make it illegal. I guess we Canadians take it for granted?

jopython 9y ago

What is hate speech?