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Lumina Desktop

77 points by relaxitup 9y ago

morinted 9y ago
From the FAQ: How is it different from other desktop environments? > Designed to work best with TrueOS®, but specifically works very well for the BSD community at large. Lumina® can also be easily ported to any OS, including Linux distros). > Does not require any of the commonly-used desktop implementation frameworks (DBUS, policykit, consolekit, systemd, HALD, etc..). > Does not come bundled with any "end-user" applications (web browsers, email clients, multimedia software, office suites, etc..). The only utilities that Lumina brings to the table by default are the ones written specifically for the project and are generally for background/utilitarian functionality (the largest utility is the file manager). > Simple text-based configuration file for setting system-wide defaults for new users. This allows distributors of the desktop to easily pre-set the system defaults/interface so it just works for the end user. > Plugin-based interface design. This allows the user to make the desktop as light/heavy as desired (within reason) simply by choosing which plugins to have running on their desktop/panels. > Designed to function as a general-purpose system interface - easily pre-configured to run on any type/size of device or screen.
- noobermin 9y ago
  Does anyone who uses it in practice care to comment? I'm curious how it plays in actual use.
  - LeoPanthera 9y ago
    I used a previous version for a month. It was clunky, but functional. The font rendering had issues, though I understand that has improved in newer versions, which I have not tried.
- CJefferson 9y ago
  I find this an list amusingly technology obsessed. I notice none of these points mention the actual GUI or desktop, or any of it's features :)
  - Qwertious 9y ago
    Well yes, if you want to look at features then you'd look at the features page: https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ It's in the same dropdown list that lists the FaQ page.
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    Thats because most of those expects some kind of linux-isms to be present. Lumina is by BSD for BSD, and thus, perhaps ironically, works even on Linux.
- kingofpandora 9y ago
  > Does not come bundled with any "end-user" applications (web browsers, email clients, multimedia software, office suites, etc..). The only utilities that Lumina brings to the table by default are the ones written specifically for the project and are generally for background/utilitarian functionality (the largest utility is the file manager). If this is the case, I wonder why the banner on https://lumina-desktop.org/ https://lumina-desktop.org/ has a link to "Development Preview: lumina-mediaplayer" (https://lumina-desktop.org/1-3-0-development-preview-lumina-mediaplayer/ https://lumina-desktop.org/1-3-0-development-preview-lumina-...)?
LeoPanthera 9y ago
It's good to see an OS-agnostic desktop environment that isn't tied to any particular framework.
- joombaga 9y ago
  Indeed, though as I understand it, Lumina still bundles a file manager. How necessary is this? I don't have a good understanding of how e.g. Nautilus integrates into things like the file save dialog for Chrome.
  - ianai 9y ago
    That feels like basic functionality to me. You need a way to open programs/files at least.
    - anoother 9y ago
      Yes, but why does the WM need to provide it? Everyone has preferences - pick your own.
      - JdeBP 9y ago
        As has been pointed out already, the headlined item is named Lumina Desktop Environment, not Lumina window manager. The window manager is Fluxbox.
  - Qwertious 9y ago
    The alternative would be to bundle a terminal, I think - a window manager that doesn't offer a way to run programs, is a window manager that fails as an interface.
    - gens 9y ago
      In X11, there is a big difference between a "window manager" and a "desktop environment".
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notamy 9y ago
And the website appears to be toast, at least from my end. Cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xgh1nxYoyOgJ:https://lumina-desktop.org/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xgh1nx...
- Qwertious 9y ago
  Cache of frontpage that's not down, from ~30 seconds ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20170507072845/https://lumina-desktop.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170507072845/https://lumina-de...
- agumonkey 9y ago
  alt-cache http://archive.is/https://lumina-desktop.org/ http://archive.is/https://lumina-desktop.org/
- JdeBP 9y ago
  F-Secure is currently blocking it as a "Harmful web site", also.
sscotth 9y ago
Website is down. Additional information on Github: https://github.com/trueos/lumina https://github.com/trueos/lumina
- giancarlostoro 9y ago
  A good reason to suggest that projects also keep screenshots on their GitHub repositories.
desireco42 9y ago
In theory it sounds very good to me. Site is down but overall idea is very sound. Don't give me more then I apsolutely need and let me take what I really need.
beardog 9y ago
Does anyone know how this compares to configuring Openbox? (and adding things like desktop icons, background image, conky, panel, etc)? From the perspective of a *nix power user, of course. I already get my level of desired configuration through Openbox (with other programs), and retaining the benefit of idling at less than 450mb RAM usage and not having any unwanted components.
- hcal 9y ago
  I think lumina is based on Fluxbox, which is very similar to openbox. Lumina isn't a currently window manager, it you wouldn't compare it dirrectly. Think of it as openbox plus a a start-menu and system tools like a network manager. I say it "isn't a currently window manager" because the devs have said they are looking at making their own, but I haven't heard that they have started.
romanovcode 9y ago
As advanced as this might be technically - visually it looks horrible. Do they don't have designer?
- digi_owl 9y ago
  IMO, no thanks. When designers moved into Gnome and KDE, they effectively crapified.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I'll contend that they need "good" designers. And maybe not a team. Sometimes the result of one opinionated designer far exceeds the democratic team model (which tends to rely on the charisma of one vs. vision and skill). I think those types of designers tend not to get too interested in design entire OS interfaces, however.
- brianon99 9y ago
  To me this is strikingly beautiful, compared to gnome and kde overkilled interface
  - exadeci 9y ago
    Even the wallpaper is ugly and looks like some 00s renders.

77 points by relaxitup 9y ago

From the FAQ: How is it different from other desktop environments? > Designed to work best with TrueOS®, but specifically works very well for the BSD community at large. Lumina® can also be easily ported to any OS, including Linux distros). > Does not require any of the commonly-used desktop implementation frameworks (DBUS, policykit, consolekit, systemd, HALD, etc..). > Does not come bundled with any "end-user" applications (web browsers, email clients, multimedia software, office suites, etc..). The only utilities that Lumina brings to the table by default are the ones written specifically for the project and are generally for background/utilitarian functionality (the largest utility is the file manager). > Simple text-based configuration file for setting system-wide defaults for new users. This allows distributors of the desktop to easily pre-set the system defaults/interface so it just works for the end user. > Plugin-based interface design. This allows the user to make the desktop as light/heavy as desired (within reason) simply by choosing which plugins to have running on their desktop/panels. > Designed to function as a general-purpose system interface - easily pre-configured to run on any type/size of device or screen.

noobermin 9y ago
Does anyone who uses it in practice care to comment? I'm curious how it plays in actual use.
- LeoPanthera 9y ago
  I used a previous version for a month. It was clunky, but functional. The font rendering had issues, though I understand that has improved in newer versions, which I have not tried.
CJefferson 9y ago
I find this an list amusingly technology obsessed. I notice none of these points mention the actual GUI or desktop, or any of it's features :)
- Qwertious 9y ago
  Well yes, if you want to look at features then you'd look at the features page: https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ It's in the same dropdown list that lists the FaQ page.
- digi_owl 9y ago
  Thats because most of those expects some kind of linux-isms to be present. Lumina is by BSD for BSD, and thus, perhaps ironically, works even on Linux.
kingofpandora 9y ago
> Does not come bundled with any "end-user" applications (web browsers, email clients, multimedia software, office suites, etc..). The only utilities that Lumina brings to the table by default are the ones written specifically for the project and are generally for background/utilitarian functionality (the largest utility is the file manager). If this is the case, I wonder why the banner on https://lumina-desktop.org/ https://lumina-desktop.org/ has a link to "Development Preview: lumina-mediaplayer" (https://lumina-desktop.org/1-3-0-development-preview-lumina-mediaplayer/ https://lumina-desktop.org/1-3-0-development-preview-lumina-...)?

LeoPanthera 9y ago

It's good to see an OS-agnostic desktop environment that isn't tied to any particular framework.

joombaga 9y ago
Indeed, though as I understand it, Lumina still bundles a file manager. How necessary is this? I don't have a good understanding of how e.g. Nautilus integrates into things like the file save dialog for Chrome.
- ianai 9y ago
  That feels like basic functionality to me. You need a way to open programs/files at least.
  - anoother 9y ago
    Yes, but why does the WM need to provide it? Everyone has preferences - pick your own.
    - JdeBP 9y ago
      As has been pointed out already, the headlined item is named Lumina Desktop Environment, not Lumina window manager. The window manager is Fluxbox.
- Qwertious 9y ago
  The alternative would be to bundle a terminal, I think - a window manager that doesn't offer a way to run programs, is a window manager that fails as an interface.
  - gens 9y ago
    In X11, there is a big difference between a "window manager" and a "desktop environment".
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notamy 9y ago

And the website appears to be toast, at least from my end. Cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xgh1nxYoyOgJ:https://lumina-desktop.org/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xgh1nx...

Qwertious 9y ago
Cache of frontpage that's not down, from ~30 seconds ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20170507072845/https://lumina-desktop.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170507072845/https://lumina-de...
agumonkey 9y ago
alt-cache http://archive.is/https://lumina-desktop.org/ http://archive.is/https://lumina-desktop.org/
JdeBP 9y ago
F-Secure is currently blocking it as a "Harmful web site", also.

sscotth 9y ago

Website is down. Additional information on Github: https://github.com/trueos/lumina https://github.com/trueos/lumina

giancarlostoro 9y ago
A good reason to suggest that projects also keep screenshots on their GitHub repositories.

desireco42 9y ago

In theory it sounds very good to me. Site is down but overall idea is very sound. Don't give me more then I apsolutely need and let me take what I really need.

beardog 9y ago

Does anyone know how this compares to configuring Openbox? (and adding things like desktop icons, background image, conky, panel, etc)? From the perspective of a *nix power user, of course. I already get my level of desired configuration through Openbox (with other programs), and retaining the benefit of idling at less than 450mb RAM usage and not having any unwanted components.

hcal 9y ago
I think lumina is based on Fluxbox, which is very similar to openbox. Lumina isn't a currently window manager, it you wouldn't compare it dirrectly. Think of it as openbox plus a a start-menu and system tools like a network manager. I say it "isn't a currently window manager" because the devs have said they are looking at making their own, but I haven't heard that they have started.

romanovcode 9y ago

As advanced as this might be technically - visually it looks horrible. Do they don't have designer?

digi_owl 9y ago
IMO, no thanks. When designers moved into Gnome and KDE, they effectively crapified.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  I'll contend that they need "good" designers. And maybe not a team. Sometimes the result of one opinionated designer far exceeds the democratic team model (which tends to rely on the charisma of one vs. vision and skill). I think those types of designers tend not to get too interested in design entire OS interfaces, however.
brianon99 9y ago
To me this is strikingly beautiful, compared to gnome and kde overkilled interface
- exadeci 9y ago
  Even the wallpaper is ugly and looks like some 00s renders.