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I hope your political beliefs aren't implicitly biasing your teaching against the males. The primary education system seems to be failing males (more female co

I hope your political beliefs aren't implicitly biasing your teaching against the males. The primary education system seems to be failing males (more female college graduates every year) and it wouldn't help if you added to that. I'm curious, would it be an issue to you if all the boys in the class were "beyond" the girls?

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I am simply stating what I am observing and the different ways males and females learn and what motivates them. I would never advocate not teaching males or giving females priority. Ever! I have a 13 year old son btw. He helps me in these classes. As my comment states: "What I am not convinced of is that we should necessarily try and change the boys behavior as long as they are not specifically offending the girls. I worry that this would suppress their instinctual way of being motivated and learning." I do believe that they learn differently and we need to try and find a way to appeal to both in the different ways they learn and how they are motivated. I personally think the education system is failing both males and females but that is an entirely different discussion.
- gradientdescent 9y ago
  When I was at school (~1995) boys were well ahead in math, physics and computer classes I am totally confused to hear you telling me that girls are ahead of boys in computer programming
  - notacoward 9y ago
    I was already on my third job by 1995, but that was still a long time ago (especially in tech). The most likely explanation for this observation is that teaching in these subjects was too tailored toward boys' learning styles at that time, and has become less so now. The only confusing thing is how this can be true and yet women are still entering the actual profession at even lower rates than they used to.
    - gradientdescent 9y ago
      Thank you for just following the path I layed for you So what? Males and females need different teaching styles and today boys are falling behind girls in math, physics and computers?! Maybe the boys are ahead of girls in languages and other soft-skill subjects today? It always evens out
      - notacoward 9y ago
        > Thank you for just following the path I layed for you Yeah, OK. You expressed "confusion" to invalidate someone else's direct observation, I pointed out why it's not confusing at all, but now you're retroactively such a genius that you meant things to go that way all along. Sure. > Maybe the boys are ahead of girls in languages and other soft-skill subjects today? If you have a point here, state it. And provide evidence. > It always evens out No, it doesn't. Making or keeping things even requires a lot of hard work, and "it always evens out" is an excuse for inaction.
        GradientsCents 9y ago
        My last 2 points (of the 3 points I made) are 2. Ironic / 3. Wrong I am glad you found out "3" at least
        notacoward 9y ago
        There was no indication that your statements were supposed to be ironic, sarcastic, or satirical. Plenty of people are here saying exactly the same things and they're dead serious. So either you're lying or you don't know how to do satire properly. Your persistence suggests it's not the second. Creating two accounts for one discussion does nothing for your credibility either.
        gradientdescent 9y ago
        It says "I am submitting too fast" So I had to create another account to continue the discussion HN isn't for discussion. It's for writing long and thoughtful statements
  - 20years 9y ago
    What I am observing is girls at least at the middle school age are a lot more focused than the boys. I think that is why they may be ahead. Does this shift some as they move into high school and college? Not sure. I guess what I am saying is don't take my original post as me advocating girls are better than boys or that we should heavily push more girls into computer programming while excluding boys. It is simply what I am seeing in multiple classes/workshops that I have taught. I think we should make it welcoming for girls but not at the cost of excluding boys. Same goes for making it welcoming for boys without excluding the girls. That is a challenging balance to find. Coming from a mom who has a boy and a girl ;)
    - gradientdescent 9y ago
      Sorry to destroy your worldview: Boys/men will totally leave girls/women in the dust You (girls) bitching around is just funny to watch You have zero relevance, but may (also) receive a paycheck The only thing all you women-teacher achieve is (potentially) destroy a lot of male potential Thank you for your contribs Awesome We need to lock you up somewhere, where you can't escape. The kitchen wasn't save enough
      - sctb 9y ago
        We've banned this account.
        gradientdescent 9y ago
        What?!

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20years 9y ago

I am simply stating what I am observing and the different ways males and females learn and what motivates them. I would never advocate not teaching males or giving females priority. Ever! I have a 13 year old son btw. He helps me in these classes. As my comment states: "What I am not convinced of is that we should necessarily try and change the boys behavior as long as they are not specifically offending the girls. I worry that this would suppress their instinctual way of being motivated and learning." I do believe that they learn differently and we need to try and find a way to appeal to both in the different ways they learn and how they are motivated. I personally think the education system is failing both males and females but that is an entirely different discussion.

gradientdescent 9y ago
When I was at school (~1995) boys were well ahead in math, physics and computer classes I am totally confused to hear you telling me that girls are ahead of boys in computer programming
- notacoward 9y ago
  I was already on my third job by 1995, but that was still a long time ago (especially in tech). The most likely explanation for this observation is that teaching in these subjects was too tailored toward boys' learning styles at that time, and has become less so now. The only confusing thing is how this can be true and yet women are still entering the actual profession at even lower rates than they used to.
  - gradientdescent 9y ago
    Thank you for just following the path I layed for you So what? Males and females need different teaching styles and today boys are falling behind girls in math, physics and computers?! Maybe the boys are ahead of girls in languages and other soft-skill subjects today? It always evens out
    - notacoward 9y ago
      > Thank you for just following the path I layed for you Yeah, OK. You expressed "confusion" to invalidate someone else's direct observation, I pointed out why it's not confusing at all, but now you're retroactively such a genius that you meant things to go that way all along. Sure. > Maybe the boys are ahead of girls in languages and other soft-skill subjects today? If you have a point here, state it. And provide evidence. > It always evens out No, it doesn't. Making or keeping things even requires a lot of hard work, and "it always evens out" is an excuse for inaction.
      - GradientsCents 9y ago
        My last 2 points (of the 3 points I made) are 2. Ironic / 3. Wrong I am glad you found out "3" at least
        notacoward 9y ago
        There was no indication that your statements were supposed to be ironic, sarcastic, or satirical. Plenty of people are here saying exactly the same things and they're dead serious. So either you're lying or you don't know how to do satire properly. Your persistence suggests it's not the second. Creating two accounts for one discussion does nothing for your credibility either.
        gradientdescent 9y ago
        It says "I am submitting too fast" So I had to create another account to continue the discussion HN isn't for discussion. It's for writing long and thoughtful statements
- 20years 9y ago
  What I am observing is girls at least at the middle school age are a lot more focused than the boys. I think that is why they may be ahead. Does this shift some as they move into high school and college? Not sure. I guess what I am saying is don't take my original post as me advocating girls are better than boys or that we should heavily push more girls into computer programming while excluding boys. It is simply what I am seeing in multiple classes/workshops that I have taught. I think we should make it welcoming for girls but not at the cost of excluding boys. Same goes for making it welcoming for boys without excluding the girls. That is a challenging balance to find. Coming from a mom who has a boy and a girl ;)
  - gradientdescent 9y ago
    Sorry to destroy your worldview: Boys/men will totally leave girls/women in the dust You (girls) bitching around is just funny to watch You have zero relevance, but may (also) receive a paycheck The only thing all you women-teacher achieve is (potentially) destroy a lot of male potential Thank you for your contribs Awesome We need to lock you up somewhere, where you can't escape. The kitchen wasn't save enough
    - sctb 9y ago
      We've banned this account.
      - gradientdescent 9y ago
        What?!