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From wikileaks: French media warned not to publish https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860841351595921409 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860841351595921

From wikileaks: French media warned not to publish https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860841351595921409 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860841351595921409 No fakes that we see https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860638153471918081 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860638153471918081 Timing curious https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860603123236315137 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860603123236315137

raverbashing 9y ago
WikiLeaks is not neutral
- isaac_is_goat 9y ago
  WikiLeaks also a 100% track record of being correct. Biases accounted for, they are accurate.
  - altcognito 9y ago
    They routinely make claims not supported by the evidence they have. They retweeted the pizza child trafficking garbage, made up facts about redirecting responsibility for attacks.
    - seattle_spring 9y ago
      This, exactly. They defend their claims by saying, "we're just asking the questions." There are tons (thousands, I would argue) of innocent victims who are put in the crosshairs because of WikiLeaks' agenda.
    - RealityVoid 9y ago
      > They retweeted the pizza child trafficking garbage, Please, dear god, tell me you're kidding and no sane person is taking that theory seriously.
      - krapp 9y ago
        >Please, dear god, tell me you're kidding and no sane person is taking that theory seriously. I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you...
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  - lsadam0 9y ago
    In years past I would agree with you, then they started pushing pizzagate. Wikileaks is venturing into Alex Jones territory.
  - seattle_spring 9y ago
    Do you have a source for that? My friend's company was the target of a huge smear campaign orchestrated by WikiLeaks, purely because they shared an address with a different company and had the word "Data" in their name. The only people I know who would think WikiLeaks is infallible and an asset to society are frequenters of The_Donald and the conspiracy subreddits.
    - rtx 9y ago
      Or supporters of Al-Gore
  - geofft 9y ago
    WikiLeaks may have a 100% track record of releasing accurate leaks, but they definitely have a poor track record of representing the leaked information accurately, and they know that the media reports on their analysis and not the raw leaks. See, e.g., https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/opinion/the-truth-about-the-wikileaks-cia-cache.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/opinion/the-truth-about-t... We’ve seen WikiLeaks do this before. Last July, right after the attempted coup in Turkey, WikiLeaks promised, with much fanfare, to release emails belonging to Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party. What WikiLeaks ultimately released, however, was nothing but mundane mailing lists of tens of thousands of ordinary people who discussed politics online. Back then, too, the ruse worked: Many Western journalists had hyped these non-leaks.
  - tptacek 9y ago
    There is absolutely no way someone can be familiar with the last couple years of Wikileaks and say that. Wikileaks has been flagrantly incorrect. The only way to say something like this is to badly want it to be true. A good starting search here would be "Wikileaks Turkey".
  - chasing 9y ago
    No one and nothing has a track record of being 100% correct except Kim Jong Un if you're North Korean.
- civilian 9y ago
  But they are neutral! It's like running into an Elemental Ice Golem. It's not good or evil, it's not left or right. It is just made of ice. WikiLeaks is an Elemental Truth & Leaks Golem. It doesn't give a shit whose agenda it helps, it just wants to expose more. I would rather have a WikiLeaks that release everything that it can receives, rather than one that curates it's leaks for an agenda.
  - geofft 9y ago
    Yes, and usually when I run into an elemental ice golem in a dungeon, it's because the bad guy has put it there as a trap for the good guys and walked away. There is a sense in which you can call Wikileaks neutral, sure. But that doesn't mean that they actively ensure that they are politically neutral. Quite the opposite! They are uncaring. If one side feeds Wikileaks and not the other, Wikileaks will be 100% neutral in not shifting that balance. If anti-globalist forces consistently hack globalists and not vice versa and give that info to Wikileaks, sure, Wikileaks is going to say "We just want to expose more," but the set of information being exposed is extremely non-neutral! I would rather not have an elemental ice golem at all, I think. And if I'm going to have an elemental ice golem, I would definitely prefer one that only attacks the bad guys than one that attacks "everyone" who happens to be in the secret entrance to the bad guys' lair.
  - lsadam0 9y ago
    You honestly believe that? There's a pattern in the past year of Wikileaks only exposing one side.
    - rosalinekarr 9y ago
      [WikiLeaks has stated repeatedly that they publish everything they receive.][1] Blaming them for failing to release information from the other side assumes that they have that information to release. [1]: https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-julian-assange-speaks-out-as-trumps-cia-director-threatens-to-end-wikileaks/ https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-juli...
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- methehack 9y ago
  Perhaps less controversially, the whole non-editorial editorial policy is super-vulnerable to manipulation. The source can stick anything they want into the stream since WikiLeaks' stated editorial policy is "that's not our job." Garbage in, garbage out. If you've got bullshit that you want to look real, stick it in the middle of real shit and get WikiLeaks to leak it. Proof! [minor edit for grammar]
  - MichaelGG 9y ago
    Can you point to this happening in any of their recent leaks? The DNC didn't dispute any of the emails, so which did you have in mind?
- rosalinekarr 9y ago
  The parent comment is cherrypicking tweets from WikiLeaks. Take a look at [their actual feed][1]. They have since [discounted several conspiracy theories against Macron][2] and [brought into question the legitimacy of some of the files][3]. [1]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies [2]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860846823229059072 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860846823229059072 [3]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073
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xbryanx 9y ago
"assessment update: several Office files have Cyrillic meta data." https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073
chasing 9y ago
WikiLeaks is not journalism.

raverbashing 9y ago

WikiLeaks is not neutral

isaac_is_goat 9y ago
WikiLeaks also a 100% track record of being correct. Biases accounted for, they are accurate.
- altcognito 9y ago
  They routinely make claims not supported by the evidence they have. They retweeted the pizza child trafficking garbage, made up facts about redirecting responsibility for attacks.
  - seattle_spring 9y ago
    This, exactly. They defend their claims by saying, "we're just asking the questions." There are tons (thousands, I would argue) of innocent victims who are put in the crosshairs because of WikiLeaks' agenda.
  - RealityVoid 9y ago
    > They retweeted the pizza child trafficking garbage, Please, dear god, tell me you're kidding and no sane person is taking that theory seriously.
    - krapp 9y ago
      >Please, dear god, tell me you're kidding and no sane person is taking that theory seriously. I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you...
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- lsadam0 9y ago
  In years past I would agree with you, then they started pushing pizzagate. Wikileaks is venturing into Alex Jones territory.
- seattle_spring 9y ago
  Do you have a source for that? My friend's company was the target of a huge smear campaign orchestrated by WikiLeaks, purely because they shared an address with a different company and had the word "Data" in their name. The only people I know who would think WikiLeaks is infallible and an asset to society are frequenters of The_Donald and the conspiracy subreddits.
  - rtx 9y ago
    Or supporters of Al-Gore
- geofft 9y ago
  WikiLeaks may have a 100% track record of releasing accurate leaks, but they definitely have a poor track record of representing the leaked information accurately, and they know that the media reports on their analysis and not the raw leaks. See, e.g., https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/opinion/the-truth-about-the-wikileaks-cia-cache.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/opinion/the-truth-about-t... We’ve seen WikiLeaks do this before. Last July, right after the attempted coup in Turkey, WikiLeaks promised, with much fanfare, to release emails belonging to Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party. What WikiLeaks ultimately released, however, was nothing but mundane mailing lists of tens of thousands of ordinary people who discussed politics online. Back then, too, the ruse worked: Many Western journalists had hyped these non-leaks.
- tptacek 9y ago
  There is absolutely no way someone can be familiar with the last couple years of Wikileaks and say that. Wikileaks has been flagrantly incorrect. The only way to say something like this is to badly want it to be true. A good starting search here would be "Wikileaks Turkey".
- chasing 9y ago
  No one and nothing has a track record of being 100% correct except Kim Jong Un if you're North Korean.
civilian 9y ago
But they are neutral! It's like running into an Elemental Ice Golem. It's not good or evil, it's not left or right. It is just made of ice. WikiLeaks is an Elemental Truth & Leaks Golem. It doesn't give a shit whose agenda it helps, it just wants to expose more. I would rather have a WikiLeaks that release everything that it can receives, rather than one that curates it's leaks for an agenda.
- geofft 9y ago
  Yes, and usually when I run into an elemental ice golem in a dungeon, it's because the bad guy has put it there as a trap for the good guys and walked away. There is a sense in which you can call Wikileaks neutral, sure. But that doesn't mean that they actively ensure that they are politically neutral. Quite the opposite! They are uncaring. If one side feeds Wikileaks and not the other, Wikileaks will be 100% neutral in not shifting that balance. If anti-globalist forces consistently hack globalists and not vice versa and give that info to Wikileaks, sure, Wikileaks is going to say "We just want to expose more," but the set of information being exposed is extremely non-neutral! I would rather not have an elemental ice golem at all, I think. And if I'm going to have an elemental ice golem, I would definitely prefer one that only attacks the bad guys than one that attacks "everyone" who happens to be in the secret entrance to the bad guys' lair.
- lsadam0 9y ago
  You honestly believe that? There's a pattern in the past year of Wikileaks only exposing one side.
  - rosalinekarr 9y ago
    [WikiLeaks has stated repeatedly that they publish everything they receive.][1] Blaming them for failing to release information from the other side assumes that they have that information to release. [1]: https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-julian-assange-speaks-out-as-trumps-cia-director-threatens-to-end-wikileaks/ https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/intercepted-podcast-juli...
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methehack 9y ago
Perhaps less controversially, the whole non-editorial editorial policy is super-vulnerable to manipulation. The source can stick anything they want into the stream since WikiLeaks' stated editorial policy is "that's not our job." Garbage in, garbage out. If you've got bullshit that you want to look real, stick it in the middle of real shit and get WikiLeaks to leak it. Proof! [minor edit for grammar]
- MichaelGG 9y ago
  Can you point to this happening in any of their recent leaks? The DNC didn't dispute any of the emails, so which did you have in mind?
rosalinekarr 9y ago
The parent comment is cherrypicking tweets from WikiLeaks. Take a look at [their actual feed][1]. They have since [discounted several conspiracy theories against Macron][2] and [brought into question the legitimacy of some of the files][3]. [1]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies [2]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860846823229059072 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860846823229059072 [3]: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073

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xbryanx 9y ago

"assessment update: several Office files have Cyrillic meta data." https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860855087165571073

chasing 9y ago

WikiLeaks is not journalism.