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At this point, I'm just happy there is a new email client that isn't storing anything on the third party servers. Good for Canary and I'll give it a try.

carsongross 9y ago
Email client economics are tough, you need some sort of service-like revenue associated with it or you sell your customers data in order to have a sustainable business. I hope canary has something non-evil figured out, the client looks nice.
- LeoPanthera 9y ago
  ...or you could just sell the software? That's how we used to do it in the Olden Days.
  - carsongross 9y ago
    That model only worked when people would buy your new software every year. Now a lot of software is good enough, and maybe your competition is even free, and the revenue dries up.
- mikhailt 9y ago
  Considering the amount of the personal data still going through email, this is one of the few areas that no one should be giving up to any third party services, regardless of the benefits it may provide. Encryption with you owning the key is a requirement if it is going to be stored on a third party service. You can provide a subscription model for the server costs if need be.
- lorenz_li 9y ago
  They actually mention in the FAQ [1] that once they officially release their apps there will be a free and a paid version. [1]: https://canarymail.io/faq.html https://canarymail.io/faq.html
cormacrelf 9y ago
Does Spark store anything on 3rd party servers? I didn't think so.
- mikhailt 9y ago
  Yes, they do. It's why I don't use them. Source: https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy > Accounts are added to Spark through OAuth where possible. Where OAuth is not supported we keep your account username and password on our secure servers. We then use the authorization provided to download your emails to our virtual servers and push to your device. We use Amazon Web Services (AWS) infrastructure to store your data. Apart from the AWS' security policies we take a number of measures to ensure that your data is never read by anyone else. We ensure that all transmission is secured with HTTPS so that no one else can access your data. Your account credentials are stored on secure cloud-based servers using asymmetric encryption.
  - cormacrelf 9y ago
    I may be wrong, but that seems like the only way to provide push notifications. I guess that's the trade-off.

carsongross 9y ago

Email client economics are tough, you need some sort of service-like revenue associated with it or you sell your customers data in order to have a sustainable business. I hope canary has something non-evil figured out, the client looks nice.

LeoPanthera 9y ago
...or you could just sell the software? That's how we used to do it in the Olden Days.
- carsongross 9y ago
  That model only worked when people would buy your new software every year. Now a lot of software is good enough, and maybe your competition is even free, and the revenue dries up.
mikhailt 9y ago
Considering the amount of the personal data still going through email, this is one of the few areas that no one should be giving up to any third party services, regardless of the benefits it may provide. Encryption with you owning the key is a requirement if it is going to be stored on a third party service. You can provide a subscription model for the server costs if need be.
lorenz_li 9y ago
They actually mention in the FAQ [1] that once they officially release their apps there will be a free and a paid version. [1]: https://canarymail.io/faq.html https://canarymail.io/faq.html

cormacrelf 9y ago

Does Spark store anything on 3rd party servers? I didn't think so.

mikhailt 9y ago
Yes, they do. It's why I don't use them. Source: https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy > Accounts are added to Spark through OAuth where possible. Where OAuth is not supported we keep your account username and password on our secure servers. We then use the authorization provided to download your emails to our virtual servers and push to your device. We use Amazon Web Services (AWS) infrastructure to store your data. Apart from the AWS' security policies we take a number of measures to ensure that your data is never read by anyone else. We ensure that all transmission is secured with HTTPS so that no one else can access your data. Your account credentials are stored on secure cloud-based servers using asymmetric encryption.
- cormacrelf 9y ago
  I may be wrong, but that seems like the only way to provide push notifications. I guess that's the trade-off.