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Well - it is a global fight against the globalists :-P I don't have any opinions on French politics other than it is an entertaining spectacle to watch. And I

by chvid 9y ago

Well - it is a global fight against the globalists :-P I don't have any opinions on French politics other than it is an entertaining spectacle to watch. And I think it is already given that Macron wins as le Pen is still to harsh to swallow. Here is what's going on over at the "donald": https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/69ikwt/whoa_guys_were_truly_living_in_a_censored_world/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/69ikwt/whoa_guy... I don't know if it is true; but if it is then it is kind of amazing just how fast services we all take for granted can be censored (github and internet archives).

DiNovi 9y ago
Probably don't draw conclusions if you don't know its true.
- chvid 9y ago
  I think it is like having two radio channels; one saying one thing and the other the opposite. What can you conclude? Maybe that there is a lot of manipulation going on.
Zapperino 9y ago
If it's from the_donald, it's most likely NOT true.
- koolba 9y ago
  Oh really? How about when the CEO of Reddit (/u/spez) was personally editing people's comments? EDIT: Here's what I'm referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
  - DiNovi 9y ago
    it's all a conspiracy. Grab your bug bag and head for the hills
    - Inconel 9y ago
      Sorry to be annoyingly pedantic, but I believe the term is bug out bag. Memeing should be left to the professionals.
      - DiNovi 9y ago
        I thought you bugged out, but the bag itself was a bug bag? Damn, gotta go back and what the old Nat. Geo show about doomsday preppers
        Inconel 9y ago
        Hmm, you could be right but I've always seen it written as "grab your bug out bag".
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    That was cheap for the cesspool T_D is It's a private website and it's their prerrogative to do that
    - koolba 9y ago
      The point is that they're not always crazy and they've also uncovered quite a bit of actual conspiracy. Both in the ninjas edits by spec and the reddit scoring manipulation to suppress that subreddit. Yes it's a private website and both are within their rights, but you can't claim to be promoting free speech and expression and then edit the speech of others or rig the system so it doesn't appear in front of others per the rules of the game. The worst part of it is doing it without any indication that an edit was made.
      - raverbashing 9y ago
        "Free speech" has limits, completely unimpeded "free speech" gets drowned by hate and noise (see: voat) (In the same way a completely free market is anything but)
  - simias 9y ago
    He did a very clumsy thing and it set a very bad precedent but it was clearly meant as a joke (like word filters on 4chan, that bastion of free speech for the alt-right). And in general I think one should be very wary of using any kind of social media as a primary source for anything. Forging documents is trivial and this "offshore account" narrative makes very little sense to begin with. The first "proof" yesterday, the cayman island document, was a very obvious fake. In general the people doing that don't seem to understand very well how french politics work. I really doubt they'll have any effect on the outcome sunday, their reach is very small. Just look at what was supposed to be the french version of "The Donald": https://www.reddit.com/r/Le_Pen/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Le_Pen/. I defy you to find french people in there. Bon Courage.
- chvid 9y ago
  There certainly is a lot of BS at that channel. The github copy of the torrent links clearly was there at one point and it is now gone. Of course it could have been deleted by its author.

by chvid 9y ago

DiNovi 9y ago

Probably don't draw conclusions if you don't know its true.

chvid 9y ago
I think it is like having two radio channels; one saying one thing and the other the opposite. What can you conclude? Maybe that there is a lot of manipulation going on.

Zapperino 9y ago

If it's from the_donald, it's most likely NOT true.

koolba 9y ago
Oh really? How about when the CEO of Reddit (/u/spez) was personally editing people's comments? EDIT: Here's what I'm referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
- DiNovi 9y ago
  it's all a conspiracy. Grab your bug bag and head for the hills
  - Inconel 9y ago
    Sorry to be annoyingly pedantic, but I believe the term is bug out bag. Memeing should be left to the professionals.
    - DiNovi 9y ago
      I thought you bugged out, but the bag itself was a bug bag? Damn, gotta go back and what the old Nat. Geo show about doomsday preppers
      - Inconel 9y ago
        Hmm, you could be right but I've always seen it written as "grab your bug out bag".
- raverbashing 9y ago
  That was cheap for the cesspool T_D is It's a private website and it's their prerrogative to do that
  - koolba 9y ago
    The point is that they're not always crazy and they've also uncovered quite a bit of actual conspiracy. Both in the ninjas edits by spec and the reddit scoring manipulation to suppress that subreddit. Yes it's a private website and both are within their rights, but you can't claim to be promoting free speech and expression and then edit the speech of others or rig the system so it doesn't appear in front of others per the rules of the game. The worst part of it is doing it without any indication that an edit was made.
    - raverbashing 9y ago
      "Free speech" has limits, completely unimpeded "free speech" gets drowned by hate and noise (see: voat) (In the same way a completely free market is anything but)
- simias 9y ago
  He did a very clumsy thing and it set a very bad precedent but it was clearly meant as a joke (like word filters on 4chan, that bastion of free speech for the alt-right). And in general I think one should be very wary of using any kind of social media as a primary source for anything. Forging documents is trivial and this "offshore account" narrative makes very little sense to begin with. The first "proof" yesterday, the cayman island document, was a very obvious fake. In general the people doing that don't seem to understand very well how french politics work. I really doubt they'll have any effect on the outcome sunday, their reach is very small. Just look at what was supposed to be the french version of "The Donald": https://www.reddit.com/r/Le_Pen/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Le_Pen/. I defy you to find french people in there. Bon Courage.
chvid 9y ago
There certainly is a lot of BS at that channel. The github copy of the torrent links clearly was there at one point and it is now gone. Of course it could have been deleted by its author.