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The campaign is over so the leak will have no influence on the results. Macron has mathematically won already. But if he fails during his presidency, the far ri

by camus2 9y ago

The campaign is over so the leak will have no influence on the results. Macron has mathematically won already. But if he fails during his presidency, the far right will ultimately get the job. The truth is Macron is the candidate of the status quo, his party likely won't have the majority in the french house so he will have to compromise with both the "socialists" and the conservatives, he won't achieve much for 5 years.

omginternets 9y ago
To reinforce your point about the status quo, it's been said in French media that this election is ultimately about globalization vs an alternative to globalization. Macron is the globalization candidate. Le Pen is something else.
- mhneu 9y ago
  Le Pen wants to damage France's relationship with the EU. That accords with Putin's goals. That's why the Russians hacked Macron's campaign and released emails today.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    The hack of it's indeed a hack came at the worst possible time for propaganda as French media recievws a 48 hours gag order prior to the polls closing.
  - mafribe 9y ago
    That's why the Russians hacked Macro What is your evidence that this hack originated in Russia?
    - mhneu 9y ago
      US senators have said Russia has targeted the French election via disinformation and hacking. I linked some articles above. Or Google "Senator Warner Russian hacking France election" Warner is the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence committee. Are you disputing that?
      - mafribe 9y ago
        Exactly why are you suggesting that US senators are a credible source of information in this matter? US senators have also said that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that Assad used chemical weapons against the Syrian population. In both cases, credible information has never been put forward to the public.
  - camus2 9y ago
    Most of the french political landscape isn't anti-russian to begin with. Hollande stance on Russia was an exception. As for whether the Russians did it or not, there is absolutely no proof of it.
    - mhneu 9y ago
      US FBI said they know the DNC email hack was run by Russians. See DOJ press releases from October. US Senate Intel committee and FBI head has said US knows Russia is right now targeting the French election. These are facts.
      - camus2 9y ago
        I don't believe a single thing any US agency says and I'm not american.
  - omginternets 9y ago
    What's your point? The issue I'm raising is that a very significant portion of the French populace is "euro-skeptic". Recall that a few years ago, the French voted "no" to the EU constitution (by referendum), and were subsequently overruled by the government. Many French are still very pissed about this. Are you suggesting we not give them a democratic voice because Putin is also against the EU? That would be a very stupid move in a country whose national sport is going on strike. Are you suggesting the hack was coordinated by Russia? I'm not sure what this changes.
- DiNovi 9y ago
  This is the media simplifying a complicated narrative into something more simple and... well, global. le pen isn't just "something else," she's a strain of nationalism that leads to people committing genocide in the name of country.. and ignoring history when it tells us this.
illumin8 9y ago
Isn't that the intention of these far-right wackos? The "official" campaign is over, so they can attempt to influence the results without worrying about the Macron campaign being able to deny the rumors? Twitter needs to decisively put a stop to these bot armies. It can't be that difficult to detect them through ML. The bot armies are not only responsible for propagating outright lies, they also frequently target people for online harassment. I've heard from many people that were almost unable to use Twitter due to information/message overload once they were targeted. Twitter seems to not only allow the harassment, but requires users to wade through the post spam. I would imagine at some point the usefulness of having a Twitter account approaches zero for many of these people that have been targeted.
- omginternets 9y ago
  >It can't be that difficult to detect them through ML. Show us the code. >far-right wackos It's also a mistake to put Le Pen in the same box as the likes of Trump. For one, she's a highly educated, and secondly, the far right in France has a rather long history of being the only party to say anything substantive on the topic of immigration and security. (It's worth noting that the immigration situation in France is very different from the US). I'm not a huge fan of Le Pen, but dismissing her as a "wacko" is exactly why she has maintained a growing electorate; each time media in France has tried to label her as a nutcase, they've essentially refused to address the very real concerns that motivate her electorate.
  - illumin8 9y ago
    I'm not talking about Le Pen. I'm talking about the army of far-right wackos on Twitter that openly spout nazi memes and unleash bot armies on anyone who disagrees with them. Le Pen is probably a far right wacko as well, but I don't know enough about her to form an opinion.
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    > the far right in France has a rather long history of being the only party to say anything substantive on the topic of immigration and security. That is the sad part about European politics. The (champagne) Left is so enamored by the notion of EU as a peace project, that they can't see that they are undermining their very voting base (the working class) in the process. This has left the doors wide open for the far Right to wrap their xenophobia in terminology that claims they worry about workers rights and livelihood, when they really want to see every last "foreigner" (anyone with enough skin color or other feature that makes him stand out from across the street) tossed over the border (at best).

by camus2 9y ago

omginternets 9y ago

To reinforce your point about the status quo, it's been said in French media that this election is ultimately about globalization vs an alternative to globalization. Macron is the globalization candidate. Le Pen is something else.

mhneu 9y ago
Le Pen wants to damage France's relationship with the EU. That accords with Putin's goals. That's why the Russians hacked Macron's campaign and released emails today.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  The hack of it's indeed a hack came at the worst possible time for propaganda as French media recievws a 48 hours gag order prior to the polls closing.
- mafribe 9y ago
  That's why the Russians hacked Macro What is your evidence that this hack originated in Russia?
  - mhneu 9y ago
    US senators have said Russia has targeted the French election via disinformation and hacking. I linked some articles above. Or Google "Senator Warner Russian hacking France election" Warner is the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence committee. Are you disputing that?
    - mafribe 9y ago
      Exactly why are you suggesting that US senators are a credible source of information in this matter? US senators have also said that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that Assad used chemical weapons against the Syrian population. In both cases, credible information has never been put forward to the public.
- camus2 9y ago
  Most of the french political landscape isn't anti-russian to begin with. Hollande stance on Russia was an exception. As for whether the Russians did it or not, there is absolutely no proof of it.
  - mhneu 9y ago
    US FBI said they know the DNC email hack was run by Russians. See DOJ press releases from October. US Senate Intel committee and FBI head has said US knows Russia is right now targeting the French election. These are facts.
    - camus2 9y ago
      I don't believe a single thing any US agency says and I'm not american.
- omginternets 9y ago
  What's your point? The issue I'm raising is that a very significant portion of the French populace is "euro-skeptic". Recall that a few years ago, the French voted "no" to the EU constitution (by referendum), and were subsequently overruled by the government. Many French are still very pissed about this. Are you suggesting we not give them a democratic voice because Putin is also against the EU? That would be a very stupid move in a country whose national sport is going on strike. Are you suggesting the hack was coordinated by Russia? I'm not sure what this changes.
DiNovi 9y ago
This is the media simplifying a complicated narrative into something more simple and... well, global. le pen isn't just "something else," she's a strain of nationalism that leads to people committing genocide in the name of country.. and ignoring history when it tells us this.

illumin8 9y ago

Isn't that the intention of these far-right wackos? The "official" campaign is over, so they can attempt to influence the results without worrying about the Macron campaign being able to deny the rumors? Twitter needs to decisively put a stop to these bot armies. It can't be that difficult to detect them through ML. The bot armies are not only responsible for propagating outright lies, they also frequently target people for online harassment. I've heard from many people that were almost unable to use Twitter due to information/message overload once they were targeted. Twitter seems to not only allow the harassment, but requires users to wade through the post spam. I would imagine at some point the usefulness of having a Twitter account approaches zero for many of these people that have been targeted.

omginternets 9y ago
>It can't be that difficult to detect them through ML. Show us the code. >far-right wackos It's also a mistake to put Le Pen in the same box as the likes of Trump. For one, she's a highly educated, and secondly, the far right in France has a rather long history of being the only party to say anything substantive on the topic of immigration and security. (It's worth noting that the immigration situation in France is very different from the US). I'm not a huge fan of Le Pen, but dismissing her as a "wacko" is exactly why she has maintained a growing electorate; each time media in France has tried to label her as a nutcase, they've essentially refused to address the very real concerns that motivate her electorate.
- illumin8 9y ago
  I'm not talking about Le Pen. I'm talking about the army of far-right wackos on Twitter that openly spout nazi memes and unleash bot armies on anyone who disagrees with them. Le Pen is probably a far right wacko as well, but I don't know enough about her to form an opinion.
- digi_owl 9y ago
  > the far right in France has a rather long history of being the only party to say anything substantive on the topic of immigration and security. That is the sad part about European politics. The (champagne) Left is so enamored by the notion of EU as a peace project, that they can't see that they are undermining their very voting base (the working class) in the process. This has left the doors wide open for the far Right to wrap their xenophobia in terminology that claims they worry about workers rights and livelihood, when they really want to see every last "foreigner" (anyone with enough skin color or other feature that makes him stand out from across the street) tossed over the border (at best).