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> most of them pragmatic I'm not sure how you can count them and say 'most'. Certainly a lot of racism is involved. I've rarely heard many economic analyses or

> most of them pragmatic I'm not sure how you can count them and say 'most'. Certainly a lot of racism is involved. I've rarely heard many economic analyses or real evidence that provide pragmatic reasons, but that doesn't rule them out.

narrowrail 9y ago
I don't care what race you are (I'm about 3, near as I can tell), but if you think you can control what the women in your life dress like, whether they drive, or if they can live with a man before having some religious ceremony, I'm going to have a cultural problem with inculcation.
- hackuser 9y ago
  Then perhaps you should welcome the immigrants so that the women will be free. Do you object to immigration by white-skinned males who abuse and/or control women? What about those from cultures where there is widespread racism? What about from countries where tax evasion or heavy drinking is widespread, or where the crime rate is high? Should National Front supporters from France be banned from other countries? Many cultures and people have histories that I disagree with, including my own. There are lots of behaviors I disagree with, including yours. But many of our beliefs about them are stereotypes, and one of our values is that individuals should be judged by their actions, not their skin color or nationality. Also, my preferences are not a basis for law, unless they do significant harm, and not for excluding immigrants. I am not the judge of others; freedom means freedom for others to do things that you don't like - otherwise it's meaningless.
  - lacampbell 9y ago
    Why do you think you have the right to decide immigration policy for other people? It doesn't just affect you - it effects everyone. People have the right to let in whoever they want into their own countries. They can turn people away for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. Also if you think the west is one of the more racist or sexist place in the world you are naive in the extreme. The immigration policies of "far right" European parties are completely mainstream in East Asia. If a party advocated for a similar immigration policy to say, Chinas, they'd be labelled as Nazis and lynched by a diversity mob.
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narrowrail 9y ago

I don't care what race you are (I'm about 3, near as I can tell), but if you think you can control what the women in your life dress like, whether they drive, or if they can live with a man before having some religious ceremony, I'm going to have a cultural problem with inculcation.

hackuser 9y ago
Then perhaps you should welcome the immigrants so that the women will be free. Do you object to immigration by white-skinned males who abuse and/or control women? What about those from cultures where there is widespread racism? What about from countries where tax evasion or heavy drinking is widespread, or where the crime rate is high? Should National Front supporters from France be banned from other countries? Many cultures and people have histories that I disagree with, including my own. There are lots of behaviors I disagree with, including yours. But many of our beliefs about them are stereotypes, and one of our values is that individuals should be judged by their actions, not their skin color or nationality. Also, my preferences are not a basis for law, unless they do significant harm, and not for excluding immigrants. I am not the judge of others; freedom means freedom for others to do things that you don't like - otherwise it's meaningless.
- lacampbell 9y ago
  Why do you think you have the right to decide immigration policy for other people? It doesn't just affect you - it effects everyone. People have the right to let in whoever they want into their own countries. They can turn people away for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. Also if you think the west is one of the more racist or sexist place in the world you are naive in the extreme. The immigration policies of "far right" European parties are completely mainstream in East Asia. If a party advocated for a similar immigration policy to say, Chinas, they'd be labelled as Nazis and lynched by a diversity mob.

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