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He was shot. Surely it's reasonable to go to the police looking for justice. Are you suggesting letting gang members get away with crime?

throwaway2048 9y ago
If it means his life gets ruined because he loses his job, and a ton of other awful cascade effects, then yes, he shouldnt come forward. These types of warrants are incredibly, incredibly counterproductive for justice.
- clort 9y ago
  On the other hand, the gang leader was in the same prison as he, presumably because somebody spoke to the cops. The alternative to that would be that the gang leader was the authority around that town and there would be a ton of other awful cascade effects from that scenario too. It was not obvious that talking to the cops in this case would end up with him later being arrested at work and losing his job. Even the judge, once having the situation explained to her, released him and now expects a higher standard of evidence from the DA who clearly overstated the situation according to the social norms we expect. I'm glad that there are people who stand up for what is wrong, even when they personally suffer as a result. Rosa Parks was fired too!
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    Never mind that he had already witnessed against the shooter, and after that felt his life was in danger because he felt the police was not doing enough to ensure his safety. Meaning that the only thing the police and DA worried about in this instance was to get the gang leader in jail, not what effect their means and methods had on their witness.
mnm1 9y ago
It's not reasonable for the police to come to me looking for a witness. That's all I'm saying. If that leads to gang members getting away with crime, so be it. Putting a material witness in jail is only more injustice. Somehow this is justified in the eyes of the law, yet in the eyes of humanity, no US jail can be justified. You can't make a right with two wrongs, but no one told the US "justice" system. "Yeah, let's put those rape victims in jail for not testifying. Fuck them. How dare they not testify?"
- arjie 9y ago
  Dude. He's witnessing against the guy who tried to kill him. If the guy doesn't go to jail he may finish the job. Fuck them means fucking himself.
  - smcl 9y ago
    I think he was going to co-operate anyway, but even if not I think that should be up to the victim to decide to be honest.
- mrout 9y ago
  It absolutely is reasonable. You have a moral and legal responsibility to testify in court.

throwaway2048 9y ago

If it means his life gets ruined because he loses his job, and a ton of other awful cascade effects, then yes, he shouldnt come forward. These types of warrants are incredibly, incredibly counterproductive for justice.

clort 9y ago
On the other hand, the gang leader was in the same prison as he, presumably because somebody spoke to the cops. The alternative to that would be that the gang leader was the authority around that town and there would be a ton of other awful cascade effects from that scenario too. It was not obvious that talking to the cops in this case would end up with him later being arrested at work and losing his job. Even the judge, once having the situation explained to her, released him and now expects a higher standard of evidence from the DA who clearly overstated the situation according to the social norms we expect. I'm glad that there are people who stand up for what is wrong, even when they personally suffer as a result. Rosa Parks was fired too!
- digi_owl 9y ago
  Never mind that he had already witnessed against the shooter, and after that felt his life was in danger because he felt the police was not doing enough to ensure his safety. Meaning that the only thing the police and DA worried about in this instance was to get the gang leader in jail, not what effect their means and methods had on their witness.

mnm1 9y ago

It's not reasonable for the police to come to me looking for a witness. That's all I'm saying. If that leads to gang members getting away with crime, so be it. Putting a material witness in jail is only more injustice. Somehow this is justified in the eyes of the law, yet in the eyes of humanity, no US jail can be justified. You can't make a right with two wrongs, but no one told the US "justice" system. "Yeah, let's put those rape victims in jail for not testifying. Fuck them. How dare they not testify?"

arjie 9y ago
Dude. He's witnessing against the guy who tried to kill him. If the guy doesn't go to jail he may finish the job. Fuck them means fucking himself.
- smcl 9y ago
  I think he was going to co-operate anyway, but even if not I think that should be up to the victim to decide to be honest.
mrout 9y ago
It absolutely is reasonable. You have a moral and legal responsibility to testify in court.