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Another reason to stay silent. Never talk to the police and they won't have a reason, most of the time, to issue one of these warrants. And if they do, still do

by mnm1 10y ago

Another reason to stay silent. Never talk to the police and they won't have a reason, most of the time, to issue one of these warrants. And if they do, still don't talk. Fuck a system that puts its victims in jail. This is not justice. These prosecutors' jobs should not be made easier. Justice would be these prosecutors landing in gen pop. Yeah, it's dangerous.

tehlike 10y ago
I am originally from Turkey, but reside in CA. We have some sort of "rule of thumb", if you will, that reads "don't talk (to the police) they might write you down as a witness" Though situations are a bit different, the overall message probably applies here too. Also, if there is a law that could be abused, no matter how good the intention of the law is, it will be abused. This is why I cheer up EFF for standing up for the people of the united states, even in contraversial cases that might involve actual criminals.
- PaulAJ 10y ago
  Turkey is not alone. India has a similar problem. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-39664906 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-39664906 Trouble is, in the short term this means more crimes get solved, but in the longer term it means everybody automatically denying that they saw anything, and more crimes go unsolved.
xg15 10y ago
> Another reason to stay silent. Never talk to the police and they won't have a reason, most of the time, to issue one of these warrants. And if they do, still don't talk. So we shouldn't investigate any crimes then? (I agree with you that putting victims in jail without rights is a horrible practice and should be stopped, but your post sounds closer to getting rid of police alltogether)
wand3r 10y ago
I live in a small town but have been pulled over in the neighboring states and numerous towns in the last few months. Never thought I'd say this; but as someone who has had problems w/ cops in the past; they seem to be MUCH more courteous. I think it is a combo of things; I am older, have been out of trouble a few years; etc. I am white (which helps) but having 5+ positive experiences-- 1 of which could've been serious; cops have been great! Idk if there has been a push to retrain them or policy changes but I have been impressed. It's weird never having a positive experience until recently; and I am still very on guard; but not all police are the enemy. Prosecutors like that; bad cops-- they exist and I would never be complacent around them-- but there are people working in a broken system who are good and helpful. My $0.02
- fictioncircle 10y ago
  The problem is we have no way to know if they are the "good ones" or the "bad ones" until after the fact so unless you feel you have no alternative, it is better to avoid contact with them.
averagewall 10y ago
He was shot. Surely it's reasonable to go to the police looking for justice. Are you suggesting letting gang members get away with crime?
- throwaway2048 10y ago
  If it means his life gets ruined because he loses his job, and a ton of other awful cascade effects, then yes, he shouldnt come forward. These types of warrants are incredibly, incredibly counterproductive for justice.
  - clort 10y ago
    On the other hand, the gang leader was in the same prison as he, presumably because somebody spoke to the cops. The alternative to that would be that the gang leader was the authority around that town and there would be a ton of other awful cascade effects from that scenario too. It was not obvious that talking to the cops in this case would end up with him later being arrested at work and losing his job. Even the judge, once having the situation explained to her, released him and now expects a higher standard of evidence from the DA who clearly overstated the situation according to the social norms we expect. I'm glad that there are people who stand up for what is wrong, even when they personally suffer as a result. Rosa Parks was fired too!
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      Never mind that he had already witnessed against the shooter, and after that felt his life was in danger because he felt the police was not doing enough to ensure his safety. Meaning that the only thing the police and DA worried about in this instance was to get the gang leader in jail, not what effect their means and methods had on their witness.
- mnm1 10y ago
  It's not reasonable for the police to come to me looking for a witness. That's all I'm saying. If that leads to gang members getting away with crime, so be it. Putting a material witness in jail is only more injustice. Somehow this is justified in the eyes of the law, yet in the eyes of humanity, no US jail can be justified. You can't make a right with two wrongs, but no one told the US "justice" system. "Yeah, let's put those rape victims in jail for not testifying. Fuck them. How dare they not testify?"

by mnm1 10y ago

tehlike 10y ago

I am originally from Turkey, but reside in CA. We have some sort of "rule of thumb", if you will, that reads "don't talk (to the police) they might write you down as a witness" Though situations are a bit different, the overall message probably applies here too. Also, if there is a law that could be abused, no matter how good the intention of the law is, it will be abused. This is why I cheer up EFF for standing up for the people of the united states, even in contraversial cases that might involve actual criminals.

PaulAJ 10y ago
Turkey is not alone. India has a similar problem. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-39664906 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-39664906 Trouble is, in the short term this means more crimes get solved, but in the longer term it means everybody automatically denying that they saw anything, and more crimes go unsolved.

xg15 10y ago

> Another reason to stay silent. Never talk to the police and they won't have a reason, most of the time, to issue one of these warrants. And if they do, still don't talk. So we shouldn't investigate any crimes then? (I agree with you that putting victims in jail without rights is a horrible practice and should be stopped, but your post sounds closer to getting rid of police alltogether)

wand3r 10y ago

I live in a small town but have been pulled over in the neighboring states and numerous towns in the last few months. Never thought I'd say this; but as someone who has had problems w/ cops in the past; they seem to be MUCH more courteous. I think it is a combo of things; I am older, have been out of trouble a few years; etc. I am white (which helps) but having 5+ positive experiences-- 1 of which could've been serious; cops have been great! Idk if there has been a push to retrain them or policy changes but I have been impressed. It's weird never having a positive experience until recently; and I am still very on guard; but not all police are the enemy. Prosecutors like that; bad cops-- they exist and I would never be complacent around them-- but there are people working in a broken system who are good and helpful. My $0.02

fictioncircle 10y ago
The problem is we have no way to know if they are the "good ones" or the "bad ones" until after the fact so unless you feel you have no alternative, it is better to avoid contact with them.

averagewall 10y ago

He was shot. Surely it's reasonable to go to the police looking for justice. Are you suggesting letting gang members get away with crime?

throwaway2048 10y ago
If it means his life gets ruined because he loses his job, and a ton of other awful cascade effects, then yes, he shouldnt come forward. These types of warrants are incredibly, incredibly counterproductive for justice.
- clort 10y ago
  On the other hand, the gang leader was in the same prison as he, presumably because somebody spoke to the cops. The alternative to that would be that the gang leader was the authority around that town and there would be a ton of other awful cascade effects from that scenario too. It was not obvious that talking to the cops in this case would end up with him later being arrested at work and losing his job. Even the judge, once having the situation explained to her, released him and now expects a higher standard of evidence from the DA who clearly overstated the situation according to the social norms we expect. I'm glad that there are people who stand up for what is wrong, even when they personally suffer as a result. Rosa Parks was fired too!
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Never mind that he had already witnessed against the shooter, and after that felt his life was in danger because he felt the police was not doing enough to ensure his safety. Meaning that the only thing the police and DA worried about in this instance was to get the gang leader in jail, not what effect their means and methods had on their witness.
mnm1 10y ago
It's not reasonable for the police to come to me looking for a witness. That's all I'm saying. If that leads to gang members getting away with crime, so be it. Putting a material witness in jail is only more injustice. Somehow this is justified in the eyes of the law, yet in the eyes of humanity, no US jail can be justified. You can't make a right with two wrongs, but no one told the US "justice" system. "Yeah, let's put those rape victims in jail for not testifying. Fuck them. How dare they not testify?"