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Everything about this is related to the immigration problem in Europe. I'll try to formulate this as neutral as possible. The immigration problem is seen as hu

Everything about this is related to the immigration problem in Europe. I'll try to formulate this as neutral as possible. The immigration problem is seen as huge in Europe, and also in the US. Therefore people choose candidates that are against more immigrations, or at least recognize this as a problem. People are worried for economic reasons, integration-problems, violence, attack on women, terrorists. There are many reports, and people do not know who to trust, especially with the terrorists. What would any of you think when 500 people from a far away country were placed near your house? You would experience it as a some kind of problem. If we look back in history, we can see that a part of these (mostly male) immigrants are coming from Syria (some say only 25%). Syria is currently in a war with ISIS and Al Qaida. And at the same time Syria is under attack from "moderate rebels" that are supported by the US (continuing a policy against Syria). Also Kurds are fighting, and Turkey, sometimes against each other. And many more states. It is a big mess. Most people do not see US meddling as a solution. Peace is usually achieved by NOT attacking people living in another country. Tried to make it so simple that politicians can understand it ;-)

hackuser 9y ago
> The immigration problem is seen as huge ... in the US. Therefore people choose candidates that are against more immigrations That's not true. The candidate that supported immigrants and immigration received more votes in the U.S.; an entire major party is supportive of immigration, as are some members of the other party. > What would any of you think when 500 people from a far away country were placed near your house? You would experience it as a some kind of problem. I would not; I would be thrilled for them, proud of our country and community, and I would find out how I could help them. Many others have the same reactions. The U.S., for example, has been welcoming immigrants for its entire history - almost every American is one or is descended from them. Canada was very welcoming of them - look at their pointed response to Trump's immigration policies. > If we look back in history, we can see that a part of these (mostly male) immigrants are coming from Syria I don't see how this is related to acceptance of immigrants.
m3rc 9y ago
>What would any of you think when 500 people from a far away country were placed near your house? You would experience it as a some kind of problem. What a pathetic attempt at a dog-whistle. If you want to start writing anti-immigrant comments just do it, don't doll it up in this bullshit pseudo pragmatism. Not like other people are letting it stop them.
- classicsnoot 9y ago
  What a pathetic attempt at a dog-whistle. If you want to start calling people racist because you don't like what they wrote just do it, don't doll it up in this bullshit pseudo indignation. Not like other people are letting it stop them.
- narrowrail 9y ago
  I think zyxzevn is being unfaily treated for this one statement: You would experience it as a some kind of problem. Everything else seems like a plausible characterization of facts.
- lacampbell 9y ago
  I note you failed to answer the question. There are multiple reasons to be against miss-migration, most of them pragmatic.
  - hackuser 9y ago
    > most of them pragmatic I'm not sure how you can count them and say 'most'. Certainly a lot of racism is involved. I've rarely heard many economic analyses or real evidence that provide pragmatic reasons, but that doesn't rule them out.
    - narrowrail 9y ago
      I don't care what race you are (I'm about 3, near as I can tell), but if you think you can control what the women in your life dress like, whether they drive, or if they can live with a man before having some religious ceremony, I'm going to have a cultural problem with inculcation.

hackuser 9y ago

> The immigration problem is seen as huge ... in the US. Therefore people choose candidates that are against more immigrations That's not true. The candidate that supported immigrants and immigration received more votes in the U.S.; an entire major party is supportive of immigration, as are some members of the other party. > What would any of you think when 500 people from a far away country were placed near your house? You would experience it as a some kind of problem. I would not; I would be thrilled for them, proud of our country and community, and I would find out how I could help them. Many others have the same reactions. The U.S., for example, has been welcoming immigrants for its entire history - almost every American is one or is descended from them. Canada was very welcoming of them - look at their pointed response to Trump's immigration policies. > If we look back in history, we can see that a part of these (mostly male) immigrants are coming from Syria I don't see how this is related to acceptance of immigrants.

m3rc 9y ago

>What would any of you think when 500 people from a far away country were placed near your house? You would experience it as a some kind of problem. What a pathetic attempt at a dog-whistle. If you want to start writing anti-immigrant comments just do it, don't doll it up in this bullshit pseudo pragmatism. Not like other people are letting it stop them.

classicsnoot 9y ago
What a pathetic attempt at a dog-whistle. If you want to start calling people racist because you don't like what they wrote just do it, don't doll it up in this bullshit pseudo indignation. Not like other people are letting it stop them.
narrowrail 9y ago
I think zyxzevn is being unfaily treated for this one statement: You would experience it as a some kind of problem. Everything else seems like a plausible characterization of facts.
lacampbell 9y ago
I note you failed to answer the question. There are multiple reasons to be against miss-migration, most of them pragmatic.
- hackuser 9y ago
  > most of them pragmatic I'm not sure how you can count them and say 'most'. Certainly a lot of racism is involved. I've rarely heard many economic analyses or real evidence that provide pragmatic reasons, but that doesn't rule them out.
  - narrowrail 9y ago
    I don't care what race you are (I'm about 3, near as I can tell), but if you think you can control what the women in your life dress like, whether they drive, or if they can live with a man before having some religious ceremony, I'm going to have a cultural problem with inculcation.