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> If they opt for liberal Emmanuel Macron How is he labelled as "liberal"? He's been a member of the French socialist party. He only left it last year for hi

> If they opt for liberal Emmanuel Macron How is he labelled as "liberal"? He's been a member of the French socialist party. He only left it last year for his campaign.

walrus01 9y ago
in comparison to Le Pen, nearly everyone is a flaming liberal/socialist. What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis?
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > Actual swastika wearing nazis? Pretty much. Including her estranged father: http://www.timesofisrael.com/le-pens-father-slams-her-performance-in-french-debate/ http://www.timesofisrael.com/le-pens-father-slams-her-perfor...
- mschuster91 9y ago
  > What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis? For the record, her own father, which she ejected from the party, was a well known antisemite and worshipper of Hitler himself...
- grondilu 9y ago
  It's kind of sad that we classify Politics so linearly. After all originally it was only based on where representatives were seated at the assembly. What characterizes Le Pen is the nationalist stand inherited from her father : basically the idea that most problems come from immigration so that we should close borders and kick foreigners away. The schism between "socialism" and "liberalism" has imho, nothing to do with that. It's more an economical philosophy about the ownership of capital, as discussed by Marx. In addition to that there are differences regarding some moral values, where "conservatives" are usually seen as people who stand their grounds on old principles (like heterosexual marriage, death penalty, gun ownership), though it seems to me that this is very much an American. Anyhow, this makes it all very confusing, especially when translating, and I suppose that's why an article written in English did not say Macron is "socialist" but rather "liberal", even if in France "liberal" kind of means "right-wing".
  - justAlittleCom 9y ago
    Macron is NOT socialist (he told it himself) (Well, to be fair, he also told that he was (cf youtube link for both)). He's pure and simple right-wing. He believe that we should let the market treat workers as they please. That's what we call "Being liberal" in Europe. Its the opposite of being socialists: the government should protect the workers from the institutions who wants to exploit them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBeAoFfXpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBeAoFfXpg
lcpriest 9y ago
I think this might be a confusion between American Liberalism and European Liberalism? The main difference between American and European concepts of liberalism is in economic philosophy. While American liberals favour government regulation of business and social welfare programs, "economic liberalism" in Europe is about free markets and laissez-faire.[1] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJUywVdpe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJUywVdpe8
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justAlittleCom 9y ago
Dont let the name "parti socialiste" fools you, it was once a socialist party, but in the early 80's, it became social liberal, and during the 00's, just liberal. And not the "nice boss liberal" one, no, the pretty dumb hard-core one. With proto-fascists shits in it. Macron is in the right wing of the french PS, the party betrayed its own candidate (choosen by the electors by a primary) to back him up. And Macron idea's are simple : whatever is good for the richs and the powerfull is good for the country. So… Low salary, no labour law, no state services, more europe, less democracy, etc. He's like Margaret Thatchers with fewer hairs.

> If they opt for liberal Emmanuel Macron How is he labelled as "liberal"? He's been a member of the French socialist party. He only left it last year for his campaign.

walrus01 9y ago

in comparison to Le Pen, nearly everyone is a flaming liberal/socialist. What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis?

ceejayoz 9y ago
> Actual swastika wearing nazis? Pretty much. Including her estranged father: http://www.timesofisrael.com/le-pens-father-slams-her-performance-in-french-debate/ http://www.timesofisrael.com/le-pens-father-slams-her-perfor...
mschuster91 9y ago
> What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis? For the record, her own father, which she ejected from the party, was a well known antisemite and worshipper of Hitler himself...
grondilu 9y ago
It's kind of sad that we classify Politics so linearly. After all originally it was only based on where representatives were seated at the assembly. What characterizes Le Pen is the nationalist stand inherited from her father : basically the idea that most problems come from immigration so that we should close borders and kick foreigners away. The schism between "socialism" and "liberalism" has imho, nothing to do with that. It's more an economical philosophy about the ownership of capital, as discussed by Marx. In addition to that there are differences regarding some moral values, where "conservatives" are usually seen as people who stand their grounds on old principles (like heterosexual marriage, death penalty, gun ownership), though it seems to me that this is very much an American. Anyhow, this makes it all very confusing, especially when translating, and I suppose that's why an article written in English did not say Macron is "socialist" but rather "liberal", even if in France "liberal" kind of means "right-wing".
- justAlittleCom 9y ago
  Macron is NOT socialist (he told it himself) (Well, to be fair, he also told that he was (cf youtube link for both)). He's pure and simple right-wing. He believe that we should let the market treat workers as they please. That's what we call "Being liberal" in Europe. Its the opposite of being socialists: the government should protect the workers from the institutions who wants to exploit them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBeAoFfXpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBeAoFfXpg

lcpriest 9y ago

I think this might be a confusion between American Liberalism and European Liberalism? The main difference between American and European concepts of liberalism is in economic philosophy. While American liberals favour government regulation of business and social welfare programs, "economic liberalism" in Europe is about free markets and laissez-faire.[1] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJUywVdpe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJUywVdpe8

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justAlittleCom 9y ago

Dont let the name "parti socialiste" fools you, it was once a socialist party, but in the early 80's, it became social liberal, and during the 00's, just liberal. And not the "nice boss liberal" one, no, the pretty dumb hard-core one. With proto-fascists shits in it. Macron is in the right wing of the french PS, the party betrayed its own candidate (choosen by the electors by a primary) to back him up. And Macron idea's are simple : whatever is good for the richs and the powerfull is good for the country. So… Low salary, no labour law, no state services, more europe, less democracy, etc. He's like Margaret Thatchers with fewer hairs.