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Sure. And people also beecome combative when the person arguing with them is being a dick. Case in point: my previous post has attracted a rapid slew of (not e

by pmyteh 10y ago

Sure. And people also beecome combative when the person arguing with them is being a dick. Case in point: my previous post has attracted a rapid slew of (not exactly undeserved) down votes, and precisely one person (you) even attempting facts and logic. And even yours pitches 'childish, imbecilic', which isn't uncombative itself, in context.

rhapsodic 10y ago
>And even yours pitches 'childish, imbecilic', which isn't uncombative itself, in context. The term "mansplaining", and the use of it, is in my view extremely childish and imbecelic, in just about every scenario in which I've seen it used. And it's based on a gender-based generalization that is as illogical as if I had said "she became combative because women are driven by emotions rather than reasoning! She should stop fem-plaining!"
Clubber 10y ago
I down voted your post too. You told him he was mansplaining and to please stop. How does that help anything in the discussion? I appreciate the wage gap problem, but throwing terms like "mansplaining," are typically done by garbage websites trying to get clicks by stirring up gender tensions. It actually stands to freeze progress rather than further it, but hey, ad revenue right?
- slavik81 10y ago
  I'd like to note, though, that it was a good post aside from the personal attack. I would have upvoted if the text dedicated to admonishing the parent were instead dedicated to expanding on how the lump of labour fallacy applied.
  - Clubber 10y ago
    Yes, I would also like to know how doubling the work force as a factor in pushing down wages is a fallacy (particularly in the 80s). I understand it's a complex problem. Another factor in stagnant wages is automation and much of what we tout as worker productivity isn't necessarily workers working 10x faster or harder, but automation allowing them to get 10x more done. Think in terms of Excel vs "running the numbers" manually, databases vs. file cabinets, etc. As an aside, part of the reason the VA is so inefficient is that many of their patient records are (were?) in file cabinets. The worker doesn't do 10x the work out of pure skill (though learning to use Excel is part of it) but the investment in licenses and software done by the business. It's fair to say if the business invested in building a software system, they should reap the benefits of the productivity it yields, even though that stagnates wages. I also believe a worker who understands Excel should have higher wages than one that doesn't, though today, it's a requirement for a job in accounting.
weberc2 10y ago
Downvoter here. First of all, downvoting isn't combativeness. Secondly, if you want fewer drive-by downvotes, you might try making it worth a reader's time to respond--don't post obviously bad ideas (no one wants to explain the obvious); demonstrate that you're thoughtful, well-intentioned, and reasonable (only trolls want to debate an unreasonable person); etc.

by pmyteh 10y ago

rhapsodic 10y ago

>And even yours pitches 'childish, imbecilic', which isn't uncombative itself, in context. The term "mansplaining", and the use of it, is in my view extremely childish and imbecelic, in just about every scenario in which I've seen it used. And it's based on a gender-based generalization that is as illogical as if I had said "she became combative because women are driven by emotions rather than reasoning! She should stop fem-plaining!"

Clubber 10y ago

I down voted your post too. You told him he was mansplaining and to please stop. How does that help anything in the discussion? I appreciate the wage gap problem, but throwing terms like "mansplaining," are typically done by garbage websites trying to get clicks by stirring up gender tensions. It actually stands to freeze progress rather than further it, but hey, ad revenue right?

slavik81 10y ago
I'd like to note, though, that it was a good post aside from the personal attack. I would have upvoted if the text dedicated to admonishing the parent were instead dedicated to expanding on how the lump of labour fallacy applied.
- Clubber 10y ago
  Yes, I would also like to know how doubling the work force as a factor in pushing down wages is a fallacy (particularly in the 80s). I understand it's a complex problem. Another factor in stagnant wages is automation and much of what we tout as worker productivity isn't necessarily workers working 10x faster or harder, but automation allowing them to get 10x more done. Think in terms of Excel vs "running the numbers" manually, databases vs. file cabinets, etc. As an aside, part of the reason the VA is so inefficient is that many of their patient records are (were?) in file cabinets. The worker doesn't do 10x the work out of pure skill (though learning to use Excel is part of it) but the investment in licenses and software done by the business. It's fair to say if the business invested in building a software system, they should reap the benefits of the productivity it yields, even though that stagnates wages. I also believe a worker who understands Excel should have higher wages than one that doesn't, though today, it's a requirement for a job in accounting.

weberc2 10y ago

Downvoter here. First of all, downvoting isn't combativeness. Secondly, if you want fewer drive-by downvotes, you might try making it worth a reader's time to respond--don't post obviously bad ideas (no one wants to explain the obvious); demonstrate that you're thoughtful, well-intentioned, and reasonable (only trolls want to debate an unreasonable person); etc.