Historically, manufacturing jobs paid quite well while generally not requiring expensive education and training beforehand to get hired. I do not understand why

Historically, manufacturing jobs paid quite well while generally not requiring expensive education and training beforehand to get hired. I do not understand why you perceive them to be low end and worthless. Further, you dismissing Detroit as evidence of a large scale trend and comparing it to me saying a single bakery failed while then citing your father and grandfather as evidence for your point of view goes well beyond ironic. I also see things as interconnected and complicated, yet I am finding you incredibly difficult to engage. Your tactics look an awful lot like bad faith arguments. Maybe you just don't see the conflict inherent in your own maneuvering. Lots of people don't. But you are being incredibly contradictory here. Best.