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I would rather be slaughtered than vote for Conservative, but I have to say, the NHS is already dead. 1. My nephew is 15 months old, sick and has to take table

I would rather be slaughtered than vote for Conservative, but I have to say, the NHS is already dead. 1. My nephew is 15 months old, sick and has to take tablet form which is almost impossible. The liquid one is beyond the budget. 2. My mum is having big problems with her knee due to arthritis, it has been going on for 4 years, and all they do is treat the pain. So now she is on boxes of Tramadol, and this is creating all kinds of new problems. 3. My father in law has a poor heart and he has medication but what they have given him creates a list of side effects so long that he visits the GP atleast once a week. If he cuts himself, he is in Hospital. However, there are alternatives, but beyond the budget to be prescribed to him. This is my only experiences with the NHS and I don't think it is fit for purpose. The desire of the common person to scream "PROTECT OUR NHS" is feeding into the problems. Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash (I know someone off to Miami with work in August as a perk holiday for working the NHS account).

sangnoir 9y ago
> Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash Now you know why the elite invested their own money into Brexit - Brexit is not just a pet ideology, it is an opportunity to make boatloads of money through privatization. While promoting a nationalist agenda, these well-heeled globalist gentleman will relocate to Monaco, Bahamas or some other sunny island at the first signs of Brexit failing. They will probably do so anyway even if it is a success. May things go well for you and your family.
cmahler7 9y ago
Wealthy Canadians get medical care in the US for a reason. Here's some stats on NHS 1. 3x higher death rate after major surgeries compared to US 2. 48% of Brits haven't seen a dentist in over 2 years 3. Average surgery wait time of 18 weeks, 100 days for major surgeries. 4. 1 in 28 die due to subpar care Universal health care = universally terrible Source: http://www.dailywire.com/news/14470/7-things-you-need-know-about-britains-failing-aaron-bandler# http://www.dailywire.com/news/14470/7-things-you-need-know-a...
- nicky0 9y ago
  Nice to see a good unbiased source referenced there.
  - cmahler7 9y ago
    every stat in the article is backed by a study.
    - nicky0 9y ago
      The selection of stats presented is still a form of bias.
    - 45h34jh53k4j 9y ago
      So what you are saying is that only the wealthy deserve good quality healthcare? Good plan.
      - cmahler7 9y ago
        No I'm simply putting out facts that universal health care isn't a perfect system. Nice strawman though
        nicky0 9y ago
        Maybe not perfect, but the system was pretty good today when I went to see my doctor for free.
- gmac 9y ago
  I'll bite: across the population as a whole, the UK has much better health outcomes than the US despite spending a lot less money on healthcare. Of course, we should be spending more money, and then I expect we'd equal or even beat the US at the top too, because too much healthcare is also a bad thing, and with private healthcare that's what rich people get.
- corney91 9y ago
lmm 9y ago
This is the "starve the beast" strategy of the right. Defund a service until it's bad, then use the fact that it's bad to justify reductions in funding. Rinse and repeat.
s_kilk 9y ago
> I don't think it is fit for purpose. Precisely because it has been fucking eviscerated by the Tories.
grey-area 9y ago
This is my only experiences with the NHS and I don't think it is fit for purpose. The answer to all your gripes above is to stop starving the NHS of funds in a climate where it has to take care of more and more elderly people, and simply increase funding - we spend significantly less on healthcare than other developed nations. The gameplan is this: 1. Starve the NHS of funds for years 2. Create false crises by continually setting unrealistic budgets, putting hospitals in 'special measures', cutting GP funding etc. 3. Enforce longer waiting times, poorer service, and low morale by funding management and private partnerships but cutting front line pay. 4. Ditch the NHS, since it clearly isn't fit for purpose (nice sound-byte) 5. Make people pay for insurance to pay the private providers - and we get Trumpcare Astoundingly, this seems to work, as evidenced by your post.

sangnoir 9y ago

> Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash Now you know why the elite invested their own money into Brexit - Brexit is not just a pet ideology, it is an opportunity to make boatloads of money through privatization. While promoting a nationalist agenda, these well-heeled globalist gentleman will relocate to Monaco, Bahamas or some other sunny island at the first signs of Brexit failing. They will probably do so anyway even if it is a success. May things go well for you and your family.

cmahler7 9y ago

Wealthy Canadians get medical care in the US for a reason. Here's some stats on NHS 1. 3x higher death rate after major surgeries compared to US 2. 48% of Brits haven't seen a dentist in over 2 years 3. Average surgery wait time of 18 weeks, 100 days for major surgeries. 4. 1 in 28 die due to subpar care Universal health care = universally terrible Source: http://www.dailywire.com/news/14470/7-things-you-need-know-about-britains-failing-aaron-bandler# http://www.dailywire.com/news/14470/7-things-you-need-know-a...

nicky0 9y ago
Nice to see a good unbiased source referenced there.
- cmahler7 9y ago
  every stat in the article is backed by a study.
  - nicky0 9y ago
    The selection of stats presented is still a form of bias.
  - 45h34jh53k4j 9y ago
    So what you are saying is that only the wealthy deserve good quality healthcare? Good plan.
    - cmahler7 9y ago
      No I'm simply putting out facts that universal health care isn't a perfect system. Nice strawman though
      - nicky0 9y ago
        Maybe not perfect, but the system was pretty good today when I went to see my doctor for free.
gmac 9y ago
I'll bite: across the population as a whole, the UK has much better health outcomes than the US despite spending a lot less money on healthcare. Of course, we should be spending more money, and then I expect we'd equal or even beat the US at the top too, because too much healthcare is also a bad thing, and with private healthcare that's what rich people get.
corney91 9y ago

lmm 9y ago

This is the "starve the beast" strategy of the right. Defund a service until it's bad, then use the fact that it's bad to justify reductions in funding. Rinse and repeat.

s_kilk 9y ago

> I don't think it is fit for purpose. Precisely because it has been fucking eviscerated by the Tories.

grey-area 9y ago

This is my only experiences with the NHS and I don't think it is fit for purpose. The answer to all your gripes above is to stop starving the NHS of funds in a climate where it has to take care of more and more elderly people, and simply increase funding - we spend significantly less on healthcare than other developed nations. The gameplan is this: 1. Starve the NHS of funds for years 2. Create false crises by continually setting unrealistic budgets, putting hospitals in 'special measures', cutting GP funding etc. 3. Enforce longer waiting times, poorer service, and low morale by funding management and private partnerships but cutting front line pay. 4. Ditch the NHS, since it clearly isn't fit for purpose (nice sound-byte) 5. Make people pay for insurance to pay the private providers - and we get Trumpcare Astoundingly, this seems to work, as evidenced by your post.