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Just stay (sadly) away from Sicilia, Campania, Calabria, Puglia. Edit to avoid misinterpretation and backlash: those are the 4 regions (out of 20) where the Ma

Just stay (sadly) away from Sicilia, Campania, Calabria, Puglia. Edit to avoid misinterpretation and backlash: those are the 4 regions (out of 20) where the Mafias (Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, Sacra Corona Unita) kill the most.

nolok 9y ago
If he comes from anywhere other than the EU (and even then, depends where), Italy, or even Sicily in particular, is much safer regarding murder rates. Italy is super safe. If you or him wants more details, numbers etc ... They're all readily available, but even a quick glance at these two maps tells the story: World by country level: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate-fixplcz.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_w... (Yes, Italy is safer than Canada or Australia) Europe by regional level: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe-map-of-homicide-rates-subnational-lebel-unodc-png.png https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe... So yes, even in the few parts of Italy that aren't scoring perfect, the murder rate is as dangerous as visiting the french south east coast, or visiting Scotland, or even north Germany. Not exactly hell of earth.
kbart 9y ago
You are still much more likely to die in a traffic accident in these regions than get murdered. By most standards (even Western European ones) these regions are still very safe, so I don't see any reasons why you should avoid them. Furthermore, Italian mafia, unlike some movies like you to believe, usually don't kill for fun - most of the related murders are targeted killings of rivals, witnesses, debtors, investigators etc.
- trumbitta2 9y ago
  O nenni, laghe sono italiano
easilyBored 9y ago
The mafia, even if it is as once was, does not target "civilians." You have a much greater chance of being slashed by a 14 yo gang-member in USA
- scarmig 9y ago
  Worth noting is that, although the USA does have a crime epidemic, the typical murder doesn't take the form of random shooting or a mugging gone wrong. Think young men who already know each other shooting each other.
  - ridgeguy 9y ago
    Do we really have "a crime epidemic"? These data don't show that [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
    - overcast 9y ago
      Of course we don't, it's just perpetuated by the media. Every single incident is blasted into our faces, until we're all living in fear of everything.
  - gertef 9y ago
    How many murders is a reasonable amount?
- trumbitta2 9y ago
  Yeah, they only target each other or rebellious shop-keepers and while targeting those targets they shoot in broad daylight on the streets, in shops, and so on.
- andrepd 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son Killing police officers, wives of judges, priests who speak up agains the Mafia, torturing the 11-year old son of a pentito for two years... Charming. This romanticized view really does make me angry. The Mafia are scum, they are lowlife despicable murderers. They're unreservedly wretchedly scum. They haven't a a moral code, they bring misery to others for their own benefit, and as such they aren't above any other scumbag criminal (like the 14-yo gangbanger you deride).
trumbitta2 9y ago
Hey, I wrote "where the Mafias kill the most". The most. I honestly think all the replies miss my point.
- robotresearcher 9y ago
  Oahu is the place in Hawaii where coconuts kill the most. Just stay (sadly) away from Oahu. Or maybe you can take your chances.
  - trumbitta2 9y ago
    That's a perfectly legit reply to someone who just expressed concerns for their kids over accidental killing by coconuts in Hawaii.

nolok 9y ago

If he comes from anywhere other than the EU (and even then, depends where), Italy, or even Sicily in particular, is much safer regarding murder rates. Italy is super safe. If you or him wants more details, numbers etc ... They're all readily available, but even a quick glance at these two maps tells the story: World by country level: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate-fixplcz.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_w... (Yes, Italy is safer than Canada or Australia) Europe by regional level: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe-map-of-homicide-rates-subnational-lebel-unodc-png.png https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe... So yes, even in the few parts of Italy that aren't scoring perfect, the murder rate is as dangerous as visiting the french south east coast, or visiting Scotland, or even north Germany. Not exactly hell of earth.

kbart 9y ago

You are still much more likely to die in a traffic accident in these regions than get murdered. By most standards (even Western European ones) these regions are still very safe, so I don't see any reasons why you should avoid them. Furthermore, Italian mafia, unlike some movies like you to believe, usually don't kill for fun - most of the related murders are targeted killings of rivals, witnesses, debtors, investigators etc.

trumbitta2 9y ago
O nenni, laghe sono italiano

easilyBored 9y ago

The mafia, even if it is as once was, does not target "civilians." You have a much greater chance of being slashed by a 14 yo gang-member in USA

scarmig 9y ago
Worth noting is that, although the USA does have a crime epidemic, the typical murder doesn't take the form of random shooting or a mugging gone wrong. Think young men who already know each other shooting each other.
- ridgeguy 9y ago
  Do we really have "a crime epidemic"? These data don't show that [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
  - overcast 9y ago
    Of course we don't, it's just perpetuated by the media. Every single incident is blasted into our faces, until we're all living in fear of everything.
- gertef 9y ago
  How many murders is a reasonable amount?
trumbitta2 9y ago
Yeah, they only target each other or rebellious shop-keepers and while targeting those targets they shoot in broad daylight on the streets, in shops, and so on.
andrepd 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son Killing police officers, wives of judges, priests who speak up agains the Mafia, torturing the 11-year old son of a pentito for two years... Charming. This romanticized view really does make me angry. The Mafia are scum, they are lowlife despicable murderers. They're unreservedly wretchedly scum. They haven't a a moral code, they bring misery to others for their own benefit, and as such they aren't above any other scumbag criminal (like the 14-yo gangbanger you deride).

trumbitta2 9y ago

Hey, I wrote "where the Mafias kill the most". The most. I honestly think all the replies miss my point.

robotresearcher 9y ago
Oahu is the place in Hawaii where coconuts kill the most. Just stay (sadly) away from Oahu. Or maybe you can take your chances.
- trumbitta2 9y ago
  That's a perfectly legit reply to someone who just expressed concerns for their kids over accidental killing by coconuts in Hawaii.