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Wow, that's amazing that they were so willing to try and help others. However, reading this 7 days before I take my 4 year old and twin 1 year olds to Italy was
by jscheel 9y ago
Wow, that's amazing that they were so willing to try and help others. However, reading this 7 days before I take my 4 year old and twin 1 year olds to Italy was not the best timing on my part.
- trumbitta2 9y agoJust stay (sadly) away from Sicilia, Campania, Calabria, Puglia. Edit to avoid misinterpretation and backlash: those are the 4 regions (out of 20) where the Mafias (Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, Sacra Corona Unita) kill the most.
- nolok 9y agoIf he comes from anywhere other than the EU (and even then, depends where), Italy, or even Sicily in particular, is much safer regarding murder rates. Italy is super safe. If you or him wants more details, numbers etc ... They're all readily available, but even a quick glance at these two maps tells the story: World by country level: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate-fixplcz.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Map_of_w... (Yes, Italy is safer than Canada or Australia) Europe by regional level: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe-map-of-homicide-rates-subnational-lebel-unodc-png.png https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe... So yes, even in the few parts of Italy that aren't scoring perfect, the murder rate is as dangerous as visiting the french south east coast, or visiting Scotland, or even north Germany. Not exactly hell of earth.
- kbart 9y agoYou are still much more likely to die in a traffic accident in these regions than get murdered. By most standards (even Western European ones) these regions are still very safe, so I don't see any reasons why you should avoid them. Furthermore, Italian mafia, unlike some movies like you to believe, usually don't kill for fun - most of the related murders are targeted killings of rivals, witnesses, debtors, investigators etc.
- trumbitta2 9y agoO nenni, laghe sono italiano
- easilyBored 9y agoThe mafia, even if it is as once was, does not target "civilians." You have a much greater chance of being slashed by a 14 yo gang-member in USA
- scarmig 9y agoWorth noting is that, although the USA does have a crime epidemic, the typical murder doesn't take the form of random shooting or a mugging gone wrong. Think young men who already know each other shooting each other.
- ridgeguy 9y agoDo we really have "a crime epidemic"? These data don't show that [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
- overcast 9y agoOf course we don't, it's just perpetuated by the media. Every single incident is blasted into our faces, until we're all living in fear of everything.
- gertef 9y agoHow many murders is a reasonable amount?
- trumbitta2 9y agoYeah, they only target each other or rebellious shop-keepers and while targeting those targets they shoot in broad daylight on the streets, in shops, and so on.
- andrepd 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_D%27Amelio_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Di_Matteo#Killing_of_son Killing police officers, wives of judges, priests who speak up agains the Mafia, torturing the 11-year old son of a pentito for two years... Charming. This romanticized view really does make me angry. The Mafia are scum, they are lowlife despicable murderers. They're unreservedly wretchedly scum. They haven't a a moral code, they bring misery to others for their own benefit, and as such they aren't above any other scumbag criminal (like the 14-yo gangbanger you deride).
- trumbitta2 9y agoHey, I wrote "where the Mafias kill the most". The most. I honestly think all the replies miss my point.
- robotresearcher 9y agoOahu is the place in Hawaii where coconuts kill the most. Just stay (sadly) away from Oahu. Or maybe you can take your chances.
- trumbitta2 9y agoThat's a perfectly legit reply to someone who just expressed concerns for their kids over accidental killing by coconuts in Hawaii.
- trosi 9y agoDon't be scared: homicide and crime rates in Italy are very low, especially if compared to the United States (assuming that's where you're coming from). The problem with the Mafias is not so much the killings, but the impoverishment and corrosion of everything they control.
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- SunShiranui 9y agoThe article doesn't portray a realistic view of crime rates in Italy - they say "violent death is commonplace", but I don't think that's ever been true, and it certainly isn't now. Be careful, as always, but Italy isn't an especially dangerous place. Some regions have higher crime rates than others, but even then, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
- toyg 9y ago> they say "violent death is commonplace", but I don't think that's ever been true The Greens happened to be in a bad place at a very bad time - late-80s/early-90s saw big changes in organized crime and political structures, with all the trouble that sourt of situation will inevitably bring. Things are nowhere as tense today. Unless you specifically head for the ghetto, the worst that can happen as a tourist is overpaying for taxis.
- antirez 9y agoMost of the killings in Italy happen in the context of organized crime, and they almost never make erorrs, this was a very odd situation. In general Italy is a very safe place if compared to London or most parts of the US.
- ziikutv 9y agoI've been there many times, its amazing. Have a safe trip buddy.