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In order for this metaphor to work it would have to be a chain of pizza parlors in many states, and it wouldn't have been the owner who answered the phone, but

by avar 10y ago

In order for this metaphor to work it would have to be a chain of pizza parlors in many states, and it wouldn't have been the owner who answered the phone, but any number of employees trained by the company to react this way to their local city inspectors.

kartickv 10y ago
Why is it okay for the owner to do this, but not an employee? Why is it okay if you have just one shop rather than a chain?
- ingenuous2 10y ago
  For the latter, because that indicates a criminal enterprise. The idea of a coordinated group of people all breaking the law is deemed worse than one individual. I can reconcile this with my own values. Practically, an enterprise of criminals is more likely to be effective, and thus would create more negative costs. Legally, it allows prosecution of the organizers of a crime group, who are likely the most dangerous and more difficult to catch in the act, as they contract others to do their work.
- avar 10y ago
  Uber is being tried federally because their crimes cross state lines, which wouldn't be the case with one pizza parlor operating locally in one state engaging in the same behavior.
  - underdown 10y ago
    Uber is the subject of a federal criminal probe to see if they have committed crimes. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
- NumberCruncher 10y ago
  I am not a lawyer but in jurisdiction there may be a slight difference between crime and organized crime like between selling drugs on the street and leading a drug smuggling cartel. And training your employees how to break law could be also prosecuted.
Broken_Hippo 10y ago
I'd think it would be more involved: They have an answering system that recognizes the caller ID. The IVR is set up to have an automated announcement report that the store doesn't sell alcohol or even that they are closed, and then produces a special ringtone, if the call goes through at all. They claim it is to circumvent fraud (folks ordering pizza and not paying) and bad payments and the like as a cover. And it isn't just a local pizza place: This is a nationwide chain doing such actions. Edit: Addtionally, employees would be trained to avoid such situations.

by avar 10y ago

kartickv 10y ago

Why is it okay for the owner to do this, but not an employee? Why is it okay if you have just one shop rather than a chain?

ingenuous2 10y ago
For the latter, because that indicates a criminal enterprise. The idea of a coordinated group of people all breaking the law is deemed worse than one individual. I can reconcile this with my own values. Practically, an enterprise of criminals is more likely to be effective, and thus would create more negative costs. Legally, it allows prosecution of the organizers of a crime group, who are likely the most dangerous and more difficult to catch in the act, as they contract others to do their work.
avar 10y ago
Uber is being tried federally because their crimes cross state lines, which wouldn't be the case with one pizza parlor operating locally in one state engaging in the same behavior.
- underdown 10y ago
  Uber is the subject of a federal criminal probe to see if they have committed crimes. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
NumberCruncher 10y ago
I am not a lawyer but in jurisdiction there may be a slight difference between crime and organized crime like between selling drugs on the street and leading a drug smuggling cartel. And training your employees how to break law could be also prosecuted.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago

I'd think it would be more involved: They have an answering system that recognizes the caller ID. The IVR is set up to have an automated announcement report that the store doesn't sell alcohol or even that they are closed, and then produces a special ringtone, if the call goes through at all. They claim it is to circumvent fraud (folks ordering pizza and not paying) and bad payments and the like as a cover. And it isn't just a local pizza place: This is a nationwide chain doing such actions. Edit: Addtionally, employees would be trained to avoid such situations.