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<it's not uncommon for drivers to allow undocumented immigrants without drivers licenses to use their Uber car/account> pulling an Uber on Uber

personlurking 9y ago
In Brazil, there are now Uber users, with fleets of cars, who no longer have to drive themselves, since these users rent the cars out to unemployed people (or those unable to have their own car) in exchange for a large part of the profits.
- martin_bech 9y ago
  Its bad, but isnt it actually exactly the same why the current taximedalion and similar systems work today? A person or company buys the expensive right to drive a taxi service, and employs people to do just that?
- ingenuous2 9y ago
  Given the reported strictness of the Uber rating system, are the actual drivers good? Isn't that what the rating system is supposed to solve?
  - personlurking 9y ago
    I'm guessing it's part of the contract when the fleet owners hire, as well as something the owners watch like a hawk. Since the drivers wish to keep their job in order to keep earning, they theoretically need to worry about ratings as much as the next person. If we assume that finding a new fleet owner is easy, then jumping ship and finding employment with someone else may make the driver's need to maintain a good rating a fuzzy matter. If anyone wishes to learn more, here's an article to throw into Google Translate: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2016/03/1746900-motoristas-alugam-carros-e-montam-frota-de-uber-em-sp.shtml http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2016/03/1746900-motor...
  - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
    Simple; all drivers register their own Uber account, and lose the car if their ratings are not good enough. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the cars were rented out for a flat daily fee instead of depending on the number of rides. Just a taxi company using Uber.
    - shostack 9y ago
      The Uber account becomes the new medallion.
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    No they are complete crap, worse than taxi drivers
- kofejnik 9y ago
  same in Ukraine, street posts are plastered with ads for Uber drivers, meaning they give you a car and you get to keep ~50% of fees and ~10% of bonus
  - grandalf 9y ago
    This is a good thing though, isn't it?
    - s73ver 9y ago
      Not entirely. Adding more middle men isn't a good thing, and depending on the terms for renting the car, they can be obscenely predatory. I know Uber and Lyft's rental terms are pretty shitty.
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      - grandalf 9y ago
        > Adding more middle men isn't a good thing Would the people who chose employment through them as a preferable choice to other options (or unemployment) agree with you?
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        bad-joke 9y ago
        >Would the people who chose employment through them as a preferable choice to other options (or unemployment) agree with you? It's not just about them. These drivers are effectively working for 50% of what other drivers are making. This drives down the median wage for all other drivers, because more middle men will be able to step in and outcompete independent drivers. Overall, you get more people working longer hours for less compensation. To what end? Who really benefits from this trend?

personlurking 9y ago

In Brazil, there are now Uber users, with fleets of cars, who no longer have to drive themselves, since these users rent the cars out to unemployed people (or those unable to have their own car) in exchange for a large part of the profits.

martin_bech 9y ago
Its bad, but isnt it actually exactly the same why the current taximedalion and similar systems work today? A person or company buys the expensive right to drive a taxi service, and employs people to do just that?
ingenuous2 9y ago
Given the reported strictness of the Uber rating system, are the actual drivers good? Isn't that what the rating system is supposed to solve?
- personlurking 9y ago
  I'm guessing it's part of the contract when the fleet owners hire, as well as something the owners watch like a hawk. Since the drivers wish to keep their job in order to keep earning, they theoretically need to worry about ratings as much as the next person. If we assume that finding a new fleet owner is easy, then jumping ship and finding employment with someone else may make the driver's need to maintain a good rating a fuzzy matter. If anyone wishes to learn more, here's an article to throw into Google Translate: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2016/03/1746900-motoristas-alugam-carros-e-montam-frota-de-uber-em-sp.shtml http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2016/03/1746900-motor...
- Cthulhu_ 9y ago
  Simple; all drivers register their own Uber account, and lose the car if their ratings are not good enough. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the cars were rented out for a flat daily fee instead of depending on the number of rides. Just a taxi company using Uber.
  - shostack 9y ago
    The Uber account becomes the new medallion.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  No they are complete crap, worse than taxi drivers
kofejnik 9y ago
same in Ukraine, street posts are plastered with ads for Uber drivers, meaning they give you a car and you get to keep ~50% of fees and ~10% of bonus
- grandalf 9y ago
  This is a good thing though, isn't it?
  - s73ver 9y ago
    Not entirely. Adding more middle men isn't a good thing, and depending on the terms for renting the car, they can be obscenely predatory. I know Uber and Lyft's rental terms are pretty shitty.
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    - grandalf 9y ago
      > Adding more middle men isn't a good thing Would the people who chose employment through them as a preferable choice to other options (or unemployment) agree with you?
      - deleted 9y ago
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      - bad-joke 9y ago
        >Would the people who chose employment through them as a preferable choice to other options (or unemployment) agree with you? It's not just about them. These drivers are effectively working for 50% of what other drivers are making. This drives down the median wage for all other drivers, because more middle men will be able to step in and outcompete independent drivers. Overall, you get more people working longer hours for less compensation. To what end? Who really benefits from this trend?