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I know. OSGi needs to die. I'll quit a job before I subject myself to that level of pain and despair ever again.

by jcadam 10y ago

agumonkey 10y ago
Sorry for the easy jab, but is there anything from Eclipse that is good ? ps: user and ex plugin developer asking
- pjmlp 10y ago
  CDT used to be quite good, and there are some features like makefiles and debugging capabilities that are missing from CLion. And actually it does use less resources than either InteliJ or Android Studio, while having faster builds.
  - Groxx 10y ago
    Android Studio's minimum-resource-usage-for-sane-performance is enormous. It does some things nicer than Eclipse, but there are definitely times I miss Eclipse's lean-ness, which is not a thing I would have expected myself to ever feel prior to AS.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    Oh right I forgot CDT. The key to Eclipse's success.
- lmm 10y ago
  The IDE is good. Eclipselink is fine.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    I felt it was hog, slow, and the interal API is a maze. Also the virtual fs layer ...
    - lmm 10y ago
      It's big and slow, agreed, but it is very powerful. I don't know the details of the virtual FS layer but I can sympathise because that's very difficult to get right in a cross-platform way.
      - agumonkey 10y ago
        I don't think it's powerful. As fanatic as it seems, emacs is more powerful for real work. It's more human and more theoretical than Eclipse, which is a "usine a gaz" more than anything. It doesn't bring performance, nor ease of use, or stability. I don't get it.
        lmm 10y ago
        The graphical views are useful, and the wide range of plugins comes in very handy. I could never get on with the emacs interface - it just wasn't discoverable enough - YMMV I guess.
        agumonkey 10y ago
        Discoverability in emacs is a tiny bootstrap problem. I have to admit that for years I didn't know how to ask emacs, but when you do (C-h m, C-h k), there's no more discoverability problem.
- leastangle 10y ago
  Jetty? OpenHAB?
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    Did Jetty start as an Eclipse project or was it swallowed recently ? I thought it was apache incubated.

I know. OSGi needs to die. I'll quit a job before I subject myself to that level of pain and despair ever again.

by jcadam 10y ago

I know. OSGi needs to die. I'll quit a job before I subject myself to that level of pain and despair ever again.

agumonkey 10y ago

Sorry for the easy jab, but is there anything from Eclipse that is good ? ps: user and ex plugin developer asking

pjmlp 10y ago
CDT used to be quite good, and there are some features like makefiles and debugging capabilities that are missing from CLion. And actually it does use less resources than either InteliJ or Android Studio, while having faster builds.
- Groxx 10y ago
  Android Studio's minimum-resource-usage-for-sane-performance is enormous. It does some things nicer than Eclipse, but there are definitely times I miss Eclipse's lean-ness, which is not a thing I would have expected myself to ever feel prior to AS.
- agumonkey 10y ago
  Oh right I forgot CDT. The key to Eclipse's success.
lmm 10y ago
The IDE is good. Eclipselink is fine.
- agumonkey 10y ago
  I felt it was hog, slow, and the interal API is a maze. Also the virtual fs layer ...
  - lmm 10y ago
    It's big and slow, agreed, but it is very powerful. I don't know the details of the virtual FS layer but I can sympathise because that's very difficult to get right in a cross-platform way.
    - agumonkey 10y ago
      I don't think it's powerful. As fanatic as it seems, emacs is more powerful for real work. It's more human and more theoretical than Eclipse, which is a "usine a gaz" more than anything. It doesn't bring performance, nor ease of use, or stability. I don't get it.
      - lmm 10y ago
        The graphical views are useful, and the wide range of plugins comes in very handy. I could never get on with the emacs interface - it just wasn't discoverable enough - YMMV I guess.
        agumonkey 10y ago
        Discoverability in emacs is a tiny bootstrap problem. I have to admit that for years I didn't know how to ask emacs, but when you do (C-h m, C-h k), there's no more discoverability problem.
leastangle 10y ago
Jetty? OpenHAB?
- agumonkey 10y ago
  Did Jetty start as an Eclipse project or was it swallowed recently ? I thought it was apache incubated.