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i have used OSGI in projects and find it useful to see bundles states, Camel routes/endpoints, lot's of other useful stuff. But i have never seen it working pro

by batter 9y ago

i have used OSGI in projects and find it useful to see bundles states, Camel routes/endpoints, lot's of other useful stuff. But i have never seen it working properly in PROD enterprise application. Sadly my eclipse is just confirming that from time to time with errors :(

jcadam 9y ago
I know. OSGi needs to die. I'll quit a job before I subject myself to that level of pain and despair ever again.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Sorry for the easy jab, but is there anything from Eclipse that is good ? ps: user and ex plugin developer asking
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    CDT used to be quite good, and there are some features like makefiles and debugging capabilities that are missing from CLion. And actually it does use less resources than either InteliJ or Android Studio, while having faster builds.
    - Groxx 9y ago
      Android Studio's minimum-resource-usage-for-sane-performance is enormous. It does some things nicer than Eclipse, but there are definitely times I miss Eclipse's lean-ness, which is not a thing I would have expected myself to ever feel prior to AS.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      Oh right I forgot CDT. The key to Eclipse's success.
  - lmm 9y ago
    The IDE is good. Eclipselink is fine.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      I felt it was hog, slow, and the interal API is a maze. Also the virtual fs layer ...
      - lmm 9y ago
        It's big and slow, agreed, but it is very powerful. I don't know the details of the virtual FS layer but I can sympathise because that's very difficult to get right in a cross-platform way.
        agumonkey 9y ago
        I don't think it's powerful. As fanatic as it seems, emacs is more powerful for real work. It's more human and more theoretical than Eclipse, which is a "usine a gaz" more than anything. It doesn't bring performance, nor ease of use, or stability. I don't get it.
        lmm 9y ago
        The graphical views are useful, and the wide range of plugins comes in very handy. I could never get on with the emacs interface - it just wasn't discoverable enough - YMMV I guess.
        agumonkey 9y ago
        Discoverability in emacs is a tiny bootstrap problem. I have to admit that for years I didn't know how to ask emacs, but when you do (C-h m, C-h k), there's no more discoverability problem.
  - leastangle 9y ago
    Jetty? OpenHAB?
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      Did Jetty start as an Eclipse project or was it swallowed recently ? I thought it was apache incubated.
AdieuToLogic 9y ago
But i have never seen it working properly in PROD enterprise application. FWIW, I have programmed for and deployed OSGi-based enterprise solutions. Karaf[0] was the container using Felix[1] most of the time (Equinox[2] being the other for a brief period). These are/were production systems, so I am curious by what you experienced as "never seen it working properly in PROD ..." 0 - https://karaf.apache.org/ https://karaf.apache.org/ 1 - https://felix.apache.org/ https://felix.apache.org/ 2 - https://www.eclipse.org/equinox/ https://www.eclipse.org/equinox/

by batter 9y ago

jcadam 9y ago

I know. OSGi needs to die. I'll quit a job before I subject myself to that level of pain and despair ever again.

agumonkey 9y ago
Sorry for the easy jab, but is there anything from Eclipse that is good ? ps: user and ex plugin developer asking
- pjmlp 9y ago
  CDT used to be quite good, and there are some features like makefiles and debugging capabilities that are missing from CLion. And actually it does use less resources than either InteliJ or Android Studio, while having faster builds.
  - Groxx 9y ago
    Android Studio's minimum-resource-usage-for-sane-performance is enormous. It does some things nicer than Eclipse, but there are definitely times I miss Eclipse's lean-ness, which is not a thing I would have expected myself to ever feel prior to AS.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Oh right I forgot CDT. The key to Eclipse's success.
- lmm 9y ago
  The IDE is good. Eclipselink is fine.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    I felt it was hog, slow, and the interal API is a maze. Also the virtual fs layer ...
    - lmm 9y ago
      It's big and slow, agreed, but it is very powerful. I don't know the details of the virtual FS layer but I can sympathise because that's very difficult to get right in a cross-platform way.
      - agumonkey 9y ago
        I don't think it's powerful. As fanatic as it seems, emacs is more powerful for real work. It's more human and more theoretical than Eclipse, which is a "usine a gaz" more than anything. It doesn't bring performance, nor ease of use, or stability. I don't get it.
        lmm 9y ago
        The graphical views are useful, and the wide range of plugins comes in very handy. I could never get on with the emacs interface - it just wasn't discoverable enough - YMMV I guess.
        agumonkey 9y ago
        Discoverability in emacs is a tiny bootstrap problem. I have to admit that for years I didn't know how to ask emacs, but when you do (C-h m, C-h k), there's no more discoverability problem.
- leastangle 9y ago
  Jetty? OpenHAB?
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Did Jetty start as an Eclipse project or was it swallowed recently ? I thought it was apache incubated.

AdieuToLogic 9y ago

But i have never seen it working properly in PROD enterprise application. FWIW, I have programmed for and deployed OSGi-based enterprise solutions. Karaf[0] was the container using Felix[1] most of the time (Equinox[2] being the other for a brief period). These are/were production systems, so I am curious by what you experienced as "never seen it working properly in PROD ..." 0 - https://karaf.apache.org/ https://karaf.apache.org/ 1 - https://felix.apache.org/ https://felix.apache.org/ 2 - https://www.eclipse.org/equinox/ https://www.eclipse.org/equinox/