I think dependence on lying was more true few years ago. Since The Game came out, a lot has changed. Most popular methods rely a lot less on lying and routines

I think dependence on lying was more true few years ago. Since The Game came out, a lot has changed. Most popular methods rely a lot less on lying and routines and will readily admit they are crutches that you use until you no longer need it. which makes it a really, really poor tactic if you ever plan on seeing the girl again. Donno, I have multiple friends who have been/are in happy long-term relationships as a result of the community. These are some of the biggest nerds until they found the community. Sure, for a while a lot of the new entrants become super weird and awkward but when the dust settles, I think the community has helped many, many people! Having said that, in the last few years, there has been an influx of gurus claiming to know the secret. They are nothing more than snakeoil artists who don't know shit about getting with the other sex beyond ripping off desperate--but financially okay--men.