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The ole e-commerce metric. Does anyone else hate when they have tunnel vision for years and are made aware of a really amazing opportunity they should have noti

The ole e-commerce metric. Does anyone else hate when they have tunnel vision for years and are made aware of a really amazing opportunity they should have noticed earlier? Many crypto tokens are dividend producing assets, just like most separate corporate bonds have yields. Sure there may be somebody wishing the dutch east india company's bonds were successful in underpinning global finance for 500 years, but the reality is that it pioneered a high yielding asset class. In crypto, there are investible assets, and many people want them as they can gain decent yield from them. Those networks don't require mass transactions per block to be valuable. But you can also create applications on those networks to make them even more valuable.

alanfalcon 9y ago
Fascinating analogy. Are you saying that the rise in Bitcoin's value recently is driven not by speculation so much as more people realizing Bitcoin's true value as an investible asset? And where are the yields coming from if not speculation ... ICOs?
- geppeto 9y ago
  Many cryptocurrencies have found ways to economically incentive "full nodes" without being subject to sybil attacks (one actor pretending to be multiple computers). They do this by requiring the node to have a balance of that currency, and lets them earn as miners (making it prohibitively expensive to sybil). Similar to proof of stake but different. This makes their networks more secure quicker as well as turning nodes into investments in themselves. The amount of that currency you can earn in a year is the yield. This promotes price appreciation on the markets, and for those fearing mass dumps and market corrections it is prudent to realize that node operators all have different time horizons, just like any dividend investor in stocks. This is all complementary to whatever else you would like to use those networks for. With yields being around 8% annually, there is plenty of room for other market participants to discover these networks and accept lower yields. Key words to look for are Supernodes, harvesting, masternodes, staking When any network with those things become valuable and liquid enough then ICOs can happen with those currencies being the funding mechanism for the next leg up. Each of these phenomenons have to be evaluated individually, for their interesting and their most dubious aspects. Yes many ICOs are organizations with no more backing than the blue skies of Kansas, but they don't have to be dubios. It helps to see the ecosystem as a whole, and this ecosystem is a new evolution of capital formation.
- geppeto 9y ago
  But to actually answer your questions that are tailored to bitcoin, I would say bitcoins recent rise has nothing to do with that. Cryptocurrencies' rise is though.
  - alanfalcon 9y ago
    Understood, thanks for your informative replies.

alanfalcon 9y ago

Fascinating analogy. Are you saying that the rise in Bitcoin's value recently is driven not by speculation so much as more people realizing Bitcoin's true value as an investible asset? And where are the yields coming from if not speculation ... ICOs?

geppeto 9y ago
Many cryptocurrencies have found ways to economically incentive "full nodes" without being subject to sybil attacks (one actor pretending to be multiple computers). They do this by requiring the node to have a balance of that currency, and lets them earn as miners (making it prohibitively expensive to sybil). Similar to proof of stake but different. This makes their networks more secure quicker as well as turning nodes into investments in themselves. The amount of that currency you can earn in a year is the yield. This promotes price appreciation on the markets, and for those fearing mass dumps and market corrections it is prudent to realize that node operators all have different time horizons, just like any dividend investor in stocks. This is all complementary to whatever else you would like to use those networks for. With yields being around 8% annually, there is plenty of room for other market participants to discover these networks and accept lower yields. Key words to look for are Supernodes, harvesting, masternodes, staking When any network with those things become valuable and liquid enough then ICOs can happen with those currencies being the funding mechanism for the next leg up. Each of these phenomenons have to be evaluated individually, for their interesting and their most dubious aspects. Yes many ICOs are organizations with no more backing than the blue skies of Kansas, but they don't have to be dubios. It helps to see the ecosystem as a whole, and this ecosystem is a new evolution of capital formation.
geppeto 9y ago
But to actually answer your questions that are tailored to bitcoin, I would say bitcoins recent rise has nothing to do with that. Cryptocurrencies' rise is though.
- alanfalcon 9y ago
  Understood, thanks for your informative replies.