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> V8 performance issues Python certainly isn't faster than V8. Maybe in the same class of speed, but certainly faster is not one of it's advertisable advantage

> V8 performance issues Python certainly isn't faster than V8. Maybe in the same class of speed, but certainly faster is not one of it's advertisable advantages. > webbies to scare to learn another language. > why would you also need a website > to scare or lazy to learn alternative solutions This is exactly the useless, vacuous discussion points I'm taking about. You're literally complaining about electron itself and JavaScript (mostly points that are invalid, misleading, or ad hominems, too) and putting zero emphasis on what alternatives are actually good and why they are great on their own merit.

smilesnd 9y ago
> V8 performance issues >Full sentence "DOM related performance issues it is also V8 performance issues, chromium performance issues, and electron performance issues." -It is true that V8 by it self is faster then python. That small chunk you took out of my one sentence was speaking of the entire pipeline that your code has to travel to render to screen. With python I have a multitude of ways to create a desktop application may it be a console app to gui base one where I can take care of performance issues simply calling a c/c++ lib and such. Javascript to my knowledge currently doesn't have a way to use c/c++ lib, doesn't have a direct route to being made into a console app, can't be compiled like python (mattering who you ask what you use and such matters what gains you see and such but that is a whole different ball park for now). Right now I can make a quick little python console app it will run only with its engine. For you to make a console app you would have to use everything listed above and plus some. > webbies to scare to learn another language. "I should actually say programmers are to scare or lazy to learn alternative solutions to a problem." -I corrected myself to not just single out web developers. > why would you also need a website -Don't know why this was single out, but yeah sure why would you need a website with the same element as your desktop app? From what I know of electron what it provides that website doesn't is a desktop icon and desktop notification. Outside of that it literally doesn't do anything else a website can't do. > to scare or lazy to learn alternative solutions -True for most things in life not just programming. When you got a hammer then everything looks like a nail. -To the final point yes I was complaining about the short comings of electron because the topic was "Do you think electron is good for building desktop app?". Yes I am complaining about javascript which is the only language electron supports. You pulled out 4 points which I don't know why you didn't display the entire sentence, but whateves. Seems like the only invalid point I had is if you cut up the V8 sentence even though I was speaking of the entire pipeline and not just the V8 engine. The "ad hominems" since it is latin I don't think you can just toss a 's' at the end of it to make it plural. So people don't have to google it like I had to (Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.). I wasn't attacking a individual nor trying to win a argument just stating what I believe in and what is currently a issue in our industry. No one strives to be a engineer in our field now a days we strive to be okay programmers. We strive to have a easy life and take easy routes instead of grunting and fighting for things to improve. You want everything to be rainbows and unicorns that shit out cupcakes good for you. If you ask me what a piece of technology is good for I will tell you the trade offs because everything comes with them. Electron trade off is you sacrifice security, performance(compare to other languages and lib that where design around generating desktop applications), lack of control over engine update cycles(never know what engine update might break your shit), a language that was design for client server relationship causing it to lack some of the basic abilities that other languages bring to the table, a large code base. I could keep coming up with reason for electron not to be used for multitude of reasons, but I got code to write and things to do. The only benefit that electron brings to the table is to write desktop apps using js, html, and css. Can you tell me anything else it does? And no we are not talking about websites here we are talking about building desktop apps. If the question was something like "Is electron a good solution for porting your website to desktop app" or something along those line then yeah sure we could talk about single code base and such. But, nope we are literally talking about using electron to only make desktop app. It is shit doesn't mean it shouldn't exist but it is shit none the less when it is compare to the other options out there.

smilesnd 9y ago

> V8 performance issues >Full sentence "DOM related performance issues it is also V8 performance issues, chromium performance issues, and electron performance issues." -It is true that V8 by it self is faster then python. That small chunk you took out of my one sentence was speaking of the entire pipeline that your code has to travel to render to screen. With python I have a multitude of ways to create a desktop application may it be a console app to gui base one where I can take care of performance issues simply calling a c/c++ lib and such. Javascript to my knowledge currently doesn't have a way to use c/c++ lib, doesn't have a direct route to being made into a console app, can't be compiled like python (mattering who you ask what you use and such matters what gains you see and such but that is a whole different ball park for now). Right now I can make a quick little python console app it will run only with its engine. For you to make a console app you would have to use everything listed above and plus some. > webbies to scare to learn another language. "I should actually say programmers are to scare or lazy to learn alternative solutions to a problem." -I corrected myself to not just single out web developers. > why would you also need a website -Don't know why this was single out, but yeah sure why would you need a website with the same element as your desktop app? From what I know of electron what it provides that website doesn't is a desktop icon and desktop notification. Outside of that it literally doesn't do anything else a website can't do. > to scare or lazy to learn alternative solutions -True for most things in life not just programming. When you got a hammer then everything looks like a nail. -To the final point yes I was complaining about the short comings of electron because the topic was "Do you think electron is good for building desktop app?". Yes I am complaining about javascript which is the only language electron supports. You pulled out 4 points which I don't know why you didn't display the entire sentence, but whateves. Seems like the only invalid point I had is if you cut up the V8 sentence even though I was speaking of the entire pipeline and not just the V8 engine. The "ad hominems" since it is latin I don't think you can just toss a 's' at the end of it to make it plural. So people don't have to google it like I had to (Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.). I wasn't attacking a individual nor trying to win a argument just stating what I believe in and what is currently a issue in our industry. No one strives to be a engineer in our field now a days we strive to be okay programmers. We strive to have a easy life and take easy routes instead of grunting and fighting for things to improve. You want everything to be rainbows and unicorns that shit out cupcakes good for you. If you ask me what a piece of technology is good for I will tell you the trade offs because everything comes with them. Electron trade off is you sacrifice security, performance(compare to other languages and lib that where design around generating desktop applications), lack of control over engine update cycles(never know what engine update might break your shit), a language that was design for client server relationship causing it to lack some of the basic abilities that other languages bring to the table, a large code base. I could keep coming up with reason for electron not to be used for multitude of reasons, but I got code to write and things to do. The only benefit that electron brings to the table is to write desktop apps using js, html, and css. Can you tell me anything else it does? And no we are not talking about websites here we are talking about building desktop apps. If the question was something like "Is electron a good solution for porting your website to desktop app" or something along those line then yeah sure we could talk about single code base and such. But, nope we are literally talking about using electron to only make desktop app. It is shit doesn't mean it shouldn't exist but it is shit none the less when it is compare to the other options out there.