> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh So, you don't think it is immoral to have this estate recovery thing? I don't know why you are fo

> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh So, you don't think it is immoral to have this estate recovery thing? I don't know why you are focusing on this age business. It does affect a large number of people. And it is objectively wrong. It is wrong because it is immoral and fraudulent to present it as insurance when it is not. It is wrong because it is immoral and fraudulent to deceive people. It is wrong for a country like the US to have a law that results in the government sinking it's hooks into a large percentage of the people on that program. We should not have such provisions in any healthcare program at all. Period. You are missing that one point. The most important of all. Again. We should not have such provisions in any healthcare program at all. We should have programs that help people and provide healthcare for all with no such conditions or stipulations. We should help the poor without having them give up whatever property they have or may have for the sake of having health care. We need to be a better society and we can't claim to be that when we have a law that allows government to place a lien on someone's property because they had the misfortune of needing medical care. As for all the means testing BS you continue to sling around. That went out the window with Obamacare. The only thing that matters now is a percentage of the Federal Poverty Level. It varies per State. In CA it's 138%, which means about $22K for an older couple who's kids have left the nest. Over ten million people have been shoved into Medicaid in CA (called Medical here) in 2016. It turns out to be that a lot of fixed income older couples who own homes of significant value can easily fall under this FPL requirement. Hence, again, the over ten million people shoved into the program last year in CA alone. You are sadly misinformed. I urge you to read the links I've provided in this thread so you can get a real picture of what's going on and how things work. I get the sense that you've had exactly zero contact with this system from any imaginable angle. I and my family have, from both the professional angle --my wife being a Doctor-- and the patient angle, with my parents and her parents. Here's yet another link: https://www.healthinsurance.org/california-medicaid/ https://www.healthinsurance.org/california-medicaid/ And here's a quote from that article: "This has become more of a problem since the ACA’s Medicaid expansion took effect in 2014, as people are now funneled into the Medi-Cal system in much greater numbers than they used to be. Covered California enrollees with income up to 138 percent of the poverty level are directed to Medi-Cal, regardless of the value of their assets (there’s no asset test for subsidy eligibility or Medicaid coverage under the ACA). As a result, some families have been receiving bills from Medi-Cal after their loved ones pass away, including bills to cover the cost of payments that the state makes to managed care plans, even if the deceased didn’t use any medical services." Let that last line sink in: "EVEN IF THE DECEASED DIDN'T USE ANY MEDICAL SERVICES" The famous line from The Matrix applies here: "You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." I've shown you where the rabbit hole goes, yet you continue to believe whatever you want to believe despite overwhelming factual evidence. I can't fix that. Enjoy that steak.