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Only thing to miss when HTML5 take over. No more loaders.

Groxx 16y ago
You expect website-creators to stop using ridiculously data-expensive techniques because a new tech comes out? Usually new tech implies the opposite. The end of loaders (which HTML5 does not represent in the least. Just pre-load through JS with a % done) would be a bad thing, because you wouldn't know that the site would load within a reasonable amount of time. Coke's site could take 5 seconds or 5 minutes, and without a loader, what do you do? Stare at a blank page, wondering if it's working?
bd 16y ago
Don't worry, there will be loaders with HTML5. When your application uses a lot of assets, it's pretty much unavoidable, independently of underlying technology. In fact, it's probably going to be worse, at least at the beginning, as JS currently lacks a good way to handle packs of binary resources. Just check Google IO presentation from team that ported Quake 2 to JS [1]. Resource loading was a big pain point, they had to resort to pack data in UTF strings. http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/gwt-html5.html http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/gwt-html5.htm...
- zefhous 16y ago
  One thing though, is that browsers cache the data with HTML. Cappuccino uses UTF strings for data, but I wouldn't say "has to resort," it's actually a great experience for both the developer and the user.
  - confuzatron 16y ago
    Silverlight also uses the browser cache. I'm surprised that Flash doesn't make use of it (if I had to guess I'd say it does, or rather at least it can).
    - seanalltogether 16y ago
      Flash has used the browser cache since the inception of the plugin. In fact it routes all http requests through the browser itself, it has no built-in stack of it's own. (unless you're on the desktop)
      - confuzatron 16y ago
        SL uses the browser stack by default, but also lets you use its own HTTP client stack.
albertzeyer 16y ago
Take a look at https://mail.google.com https://mail.google.com Although they don't really have such fancy loading bar. Whereby I really prefer such a simple one.

Groxx 16y ago

You expect website-creators to stop using ridiculously data-expensive techniques because a new tech comes out? Usually new tech implies the opposite. The end of loaders (which HTML5 does not represent in the least. Just pre-load through JS with a % done) would be a bad thing, because you wouldn't know that the site would load within a reasonable amount of time. Coke's site could take 5 seconds or 5 minutes, and without a loader, what do you do? Stare at a blank page, wondering if it's working?

bd 16y ago

Don't worry, there will be loaders with HTML5. When your application uses a lot of assets, it's pretty much unavoidable, independently of underlying technology. In fact, it's probably going to be worse, at least at the beginning, as JS currently lacks a good way to handle packs of binary resources. Just check Google IO presentation from team that ported Quake 2 to JS [1]. Resource loading was a big pain point, they had to resort to pack data in UTF strings. http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/gwt-html5.html http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/gwt-html5.htm...

zefhous 16y ago
One thing though, is that browsers cache the data with HTML. Cappuccino uses UTF strings for data, but I wouldn't say "has to resort," it's actually a great experience for both the developer and the user.
- confuzatron 16y ago
  Silverlight also uses the browser cache. I'm surprised that Flash doesn't make use of it (if I had to guess I'd say it does, or rather at least it can).
  - seanalltogether 16y ago
    Flash has used the browser cache since the inception of the plugin. In fact it routes all http requests through the browser itself, it has no built-in stack of it's own. (unless you're on the desktop)
    - confuzatron 16y ago
      SL uses the browser stack by default, but also lets you use its own HTTP client stack.

albertzeyer 16y ago

Take a look at https://mail.google.com https://mail.google.com Although they don't really have such fancy loading bar. Whereby I really prefer such a simple one.