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The craziest part of it in the US, to me, is that everyone involved knows it's BS. Most vendors/bouncers in a college town are going to know the kid handing th

The craziest part of it in the US, to me, is that everyone involved knows it's BS. Most vendors/bouncers in a college town are going to know the kid handing them a florida ID thousands of miles away from florida is almost certainly a fake - the fakes being produced by IDGod and most of the other college vendors are pretty terrible. They don't care though, it's enough to keep them from being fined/losing an alcohol license should police become involved. Hell, most of the local police departments in college towns are relatively unconcerned about underage drinking unless they can use it as a way to shut down other behavior they deem an issue. Most parents in the US are fine with their college students drinking as well. The optimist in me thinks our insane drinking laws are the next to fall after widespread legalization of cannabis, but unfortunately most of the influential people in politics are so far removed from that period of life that they're apathetic towards it being an issue. The better question is among those who plan to drink in the US, who actually waited to be 21 to drink? I don't know anyone.

makerbraker 9y ago
(A little off-topic but...) In the last 5 years or such, that lax attitude towards IDs has changed. Police departments in large cities, are asking bar owners to use the ID "verification" machines to check IDs at the door. And in some cases, that ask is making its way into the state's alcohol control departments' policies. > http://www.idscanner.com/legal/new-york-id-scanner-law-affirmative-defense/ http://www.idscanner.com/legal/new-york-id-scanner-law-affir... I put verification in quotes, because while these machines verify the data on your ID, what they actually do is record the magstripe data for later downloading. That data can then be downloaded by for CRM purposes, or likely by your PD after a crime, to gain a list of potential suspects and/or witnesses.
- eveningcoffee 9y ago
  That data can then be downloaded by for CRM purposes, or likely by your PD after a crime, to gain a list of potential suspects and/or witnesses. So it is in fact a surveillance tool for tracking bar visitors?

makerbraker 9y ago

(A little off-topic but...) In the last 5 years or such, that lax attitude towards IDs has changed. Police departments in large cities, are asking bar owners to use the ID "verification" machines to check IDs at the door. And in some cases, that ask is making its way into the state's alcohol control departments' policies. > http://www.idscanner.com/legal/new-york-id-scanner-law-affirmative-defense/ http://www.idscanner.com/legal/new-york-id-scanner-law-affir... I put verification in quotes, because while these machines verify the data on your ID, what they actually do is record the magstripe data for later downloading. That data can then be downloaded by for CRM purposes, or likely by your PD after a crime, to gain a list of potential suspects and/or witnesses.

eveningcoffee 9y ago
That data can then be downloaded by for CRM purposes, or likely by your PD after a crime, to gain a list of potential suspects and/or witnesses. So it is in fact a surveillance tool for tracking bar visitors?