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Do you know of the sorts of benefits it has brought in those places?

s_dev 10y ago
Absolutely -- the police can be very corrupt in Zimbabwe so you don't want hard cash hanging around or it will be taken. The actually official Zimbabwe currency can't really be taken seriously because of insane inflation rates. US Dollars vary greatly in price. Small transaction fees are nothing to operate cashlessly for some of these people compare to the risk of trying to store cash. Even India recently banned high denomination notes because they were so associated with drugs and illegal behaviour.
- tkmunzwa 10y ago
  Actual Zimbabwean here: you are so wrong I'll have to ask: have you ever been to Zimbabwe? > Absolutely -- the police can be very corrupt in Zimbabwe so you don't want hard cash hanging around or it will be taken. Yes, the police are corrupt but they won't rob you[1], they might try and coerce a bribe. > The actually official Zimbabwe currency can't really be taken seriously because of insane inflation rates. This is wrong. It has been wrong for close to a decade because Zimbabwe "demonetized" its currency (Zimbabwean dollar) in 2008 after an infamous bout of hyperinflation - you might have seen/heard of the 100 Trillion dollar note. 1. Unless you have been incapacitated by a traffic accident. A worrying trend has emerged in recent years where passers-by or attending police go through the car and belongings of dead/dying accident victims. See http://www.chronicle.co.zw/chiriseri-corpse-robber-cop-dies-near-crash-site/ http://www.chronicle.co.zw/chiriseri-corpse-robber-cop-dies-...
  - zimzam 10y ago
    Is there really much practical difference between a police officer demanding a bribe and being robbed? (I've never been to Zimbabwe: if there is a difference between cops "coercing" a bribe and what I'm assuming you mean I'd appreciate the clarification!)
    - tkmunzwa 10y ago
      > Is there really much practical difference between a police officer demanding a bribe and being robbed? Yes: you can say no to coercion but you have no choice when you are being robbed. Violence (or the threat of it) is a hallmark of robbery: Zimbabwean police will not do that at traffic stops - they are usually not armed. They will, however threaten to impound your vehicle for minor infractions (which would be illegal in most cases) and/or threaten to jail you to wait for your court date. Either of these situations will require paperwork and the money goes to the state and not their pockets, so they make you wait and reconsider the bribe, but eventually let you go. Usually. Also, in the context of this thread, having cash or money in the bank makes no difference because traffic stops now have portable card machines for "spot fines"!
executesorder66 10y ago
There's lots of people from Zimbabwe, Malawi, Mozambique etc. who come to South Africa because they can make more money here. Then they send the money back home. But if they send cash back it gets stolen 90% of the time. If they transfer the money it from one bank account to another, they don't lose their money. Making transactions more customizeable/automated is a great advantage. Why would you not want that? Also, this just came out, so it remains to be seen what long term effects it may have.
- jamesrcole 10y ago
  > Making transactions more customizeable/automated is a great advantage. Why would you not want that? Also, this just came out, so it remains to be seen what long term effects it may have. I fully agree.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > Then they send the money back home. But if they send cash back it gets stolen 90% of the time. If they transfer the money it from one bank account to another, they don't lose their money. Making transactions more customizeable/ WTF are you talking about? No one[1] uses bank transfers to send money to their families in the SADC region: it's quicker and cheaper to use formal and informal money transfer agencies where the recipient gets cash, which is not stolen "90% of the time". I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... 1. SWIFT transfers do get used for big transactions or paying corporations, but no one I know will be sending amounts less than monthly income this way
  - trowawee 10y ago
    > I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... You can make a fairly valid extrapolation about the other areas where HN seems knowledgeable from this data point.
  - acomar 10y ago
    > I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... I started discounting what I read here about when I realized that.

s_dev 10y ago

Absolutely -- the police can be very corrupt in Zimbabwe so you don't want hard cash hanging around or it will be taken. The actually official Zimbabwe currency can't really be taken seriously because of insane inflation rates. US Dollars vary greatly in price. Small transaction fees are nothing to operate cashlessly for some of these people compare to the risk of trying to store cash. Even India recently banned high denomination notes because they were so associated with drugs and illegal behaviour.

tkmunzwa 10y ago
Actual Zimbabwean here: you are so wrong I'll have to ask: have you ever been to Zimbabwe? > Absolutely -- the police can be very corrupt in Zimbabwe so you don't want hard cash hanging around or it will be taken. Yes, the police are corrupt but they won't rob you[1], they might try and coerce a bribe. > The actually official Zimbabwe currency can't really be taken seriously because of insane inflation rates. This is wrong. It has been wrong for close to a decade because Zimbabwe "demonetized" its currency (Zimbabwean dollar) in 2008 after an infamous bout of hyperinflation - you might have seen/heard of the 100 Trillion dollar note. 1. Unless you have been incapacitated by a traffic accident. A worrying trend has emerged in recent years where passers-by or attending police go through the car and belongings of dead/dying accident victims. See http://www.chronicle.co.zw/chiriseri-corpse-robber-cop-dies-near-crash-site/ http://www.chronicle.co.zw/chiriseri-corpse-robber-cop-dies-...
- zimzam 10y ago
  Is there really much practical difference between a police officer demanding a bribe and being robbed? (I've never been to Zimbabwe: if there is a difference between cops "coercing" a bribe and what I'm assuming you mean I'd appreciate the clarification!)
  - tkmunzwa 10y ago
    > Is there really much practical difference between a police officer demanding a bribe and being robbed? Yes: you can say no to coercion but you have no choice when you are being robbed. Violence (or the threat of it) is a hallmark of robbery: Zimbabwean police will not do that at traffic stops - they are usually not armed. They will, however threaten to impound your vehicle for minor infractions (which would be illegal in most cases) and/or threaten to jail you to wait for your court date. Either of these situations will require paperwork and the money goes to the state and not their pockets, so they make you wait and reconsider the bribe, but eventually let you go. Usually. Also, in the context of this thread, having cash or money in the bank makes no difference because traffic stops now have portable card machines for "spot fines"!

executesorder66 10y ago

There's lots of people from Zimbabwe, Malawi, Mozambique etc. who come to South Africa because they can make more money here. Then they send the money back home. But if they send cash back it gets stolen 90% of the time. If they transfer the money it from one bank account to another, they don't lose their money. Making transactions more customizeable/automated is a great advantage. Why would you not want that? Also, this just came out, so it remains to be seen what long term effects it may have.

jamesrcole 10y ago
> Making transactions more customizeable/automated is a great advantage. Why would you not want that? Also, this just came out, so it remains to be seen what long term effects it may have. I fully agree.
sangnoir 10y ago
> Then they send the money back home. But if they send cash back it gets stolen 90% of the time. If they transfer the money it from one bank account to another, they don't lose their money. Making transactions more customizeable/ WTF are you talking about? No one[1] uses bank transfers to send money to their families in the SADC region: it's quicker and cheaper to use formal and informal money transfer agencies where the recipient gets cash, which is not stolen "90% of the time". I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... 1. SWIFT transfers do get used for big transactions or paying corporations, but no one I know will be sending amounts less than monthly income this way
- trowawee 10y ago
  > I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... You can make a fairly valid extrapolation about the other areas where HN seems knowledgeable from this data point.
- acomar 10y ago
  > I swear HN seems knowledgeable on all subjects except those I am deeply familiar with... I started discounting what I read here about when I realized that.